- Jan 5, 2004
Carrera said:Scholars say that modern Greeks in no way resemble the ancient Athenians or Spartans. Likewise, modern Jews might not be quite the same as the Jews who lived under Pontius Pilate, and the same goes for the Arabs.
What confuses me, however, is why you feel the compulsion to take the side of the Arabs and oppose any conception of a State of Israel.
You see, there are various points to consider:
(1) The Arab population is far more vast than tiny Israel and comprises countries such as Iran, Syria, Iraq and Egypt e.t.c. However, the Arabs as a whole aren't content to concede any land (not an iota) that forms part of Israel's heritage and history.
In 1948, the State of Israel was created in Palestine.
No one anywhere has been able to tell me where Israel ever existed prior to
Palestine on the other hand existed for centuries.
So why endorse the Jewish claim about a country that never existed before
And in endorsing this claim, remove the very people who lived there, in order to accomodate European Jews ?
I am not saying that Jews were not entitled to live in Palestine.
Jews lived there (in Palestine) under Ottoman rule from the 6th century to 1919.
So it is factually incorrect to say that Arabs/Palestinians never accomodated
the Jews - they did for 14 centuries and they respected Jewish (and Christian) presence in Jerusalem as well.
Carrera said:(2) Not only do the Arabs live in vast territories in the Middle East but they are presently colonising France, Spain, Europe as a whole and especially the United Kingdom. They are granted permission to build mosques in European countries such as Holland, yet they are still not content.
This is dangerous talk - people colonising.
I don't see them as colonising anywhere.
Have they forcibly removed people from their homes/regions/country's.
You are attempting to equate what the jews did in Palestine, with Muslims
coming to Europe ?
Carrera said:As I've said before, I agree with you wholeheartedly over the war in Iraq and I don't have any particular axe to grind against Jews or Arabs (although I do experience some irritation with Islamic extremists). But I find it odd you hold the view that Israel is supposed to be causing us all these global problems when it seems the Arabs are never satisfied with what they have already (far more territory than Israel and far more immigrants settling in Europe).
Ok - we differ over Israel.