OT: Door-to-Door Religion



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On 20 Jan 2006 18:27:38 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

>Re: item (c), go to the link below for the great parable of "Kissing
>Hank's @$$".

*giggle* Ass. It's Kissing Hank's Ass. Ass ass ass. ;-)

(Actually, the author is right here with me, and seems not to mind at
all that you have sanitized the word, and in fact has created a
sanitized version of the pamphlet, which you can find here:
http://www.jhuger.com/kisshankbutt.php )

>At the bottom of the page is a downloadable .pdf with
>which one may print trifold pamphlets for edification and enlightenment
>(and usually anger-ment, if that's a word) of one's non-secular
>visitors.
>
>http://www.jhuger.com/kisshank.php

I have the coolest husbands.

serene
 
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:10:10 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Great story. Reminds me of one of my learned Lutheran minister friends.
>The guy loved nothing more than to be visited by the various
>proselytizers -- he'd invite them in for some conversation. I don't
>know if he converted anyone, but they certainly got something they
>didn't bargain for. :)
>>

When I was in my seeker phase, I let in every doorbanger who came my
way. Sometimes they would come back two or three times, and when they
had answered all my questions one way or the other, I would send them
on their way. The mormons are the only ones I kicked out prematurely,
because they wouldn't allow for the possibility that they were wrong
about their religion. Everyone else pulled out Pascal's wager or
something.

serene
 
serene wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:36:33 GMT, sarah bennett
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>serene wrote:
>
>
>>>http://www.jhuger.com/tract/tyd/index
>>>http://www.jhuger.com/tract/dtr/index
>>>
>>>serene (disclosure: the author is my partner)
>>
>>If you could give him a personal thank you, that would be great :)
>
>
> Done. His response: "Aww. Thank you. Or you're welcome. Or
> something." :)
>
> serene

cool! :)

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If nothing else, I am amazed at their tenacity. One very cold Chicago
winter, there was so much snow on the ground that I only had to walk one
block to reach some pristine cross country ski trails. The temperature was
about 15 or so with quite a wind, but I saw two young college students in
their first shiny suits get out of their car with an armload of literature.
I quietly donned my skis and put on my Walkman when I realized that they
wanted to use me as their first convert!

This interested me none in the least and I took off into the park, and
lo and behold (slight biblical reference) they tried to follow me through
about 15 inches of snow. These kids had thin topcoats, dress shoes and
still wanted to bring me their religion. After about 50 yards I politely
told them to leave me alone (and I had very long and menacing ski poles)
but shook my head at their determination. Must work for them.

And once in college in Virginia, I had the same 9:30 am call on a
Saturday morning. My roommate and I were beyond hungover, and in the heat
of summer, were only wearing boxers and sweat. These two immaculately
dressed kids offered to tell us about their religion so my roommate invites
them in to watch road runner cartoons. There were beer cans all over the
living room, the ashtray hadn't been dumped since Christmas and there was a
leftover pizza on the edge of the couch. I was in too much pain to say
anything, but went to the fridge for more beer. They didn't even bat an
eye.

Didn't make me any more religious, but I must say I am impressed with their
brainwashing techniques.
 
"Sandy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Julia Altshuler" <[email protected]> wrote>
>> But that's not the way it works in this case. The positive
>> reinforcement is all the shocking and rude responses that they survive.
>
> Makes perfect sense.
>
>

This is true. Whatever weird thing is done only makes them more sure they
are persecuted and unites them. This reinforces the us versus them
mentality. It makes them feel like they are suffering, which is a good thing
for them.
 
Doug Kanter wrote:
> Next time that happens, drop the bath robe and invite them in. They'll
> vanish quickly.

SO's daughter answered the door to door religion nuts at her front door
in her black caftan. She told them she was busy sacrificing a goat in
the backyard and didn't have time to talk. They left and no one has
bothered her since.

SD
 
SD wrote:

> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
>>Next time that happens, drop the bath robe and invite them in. They'll
>>vanish quickly.
>
>
> SO's daughter answered the door to door religion nuts at her front door
> in her black caftan. She told them she was busy sacrificing a goat in
> the backyard and didn't have time to talk. They left and no one has
> bothered her since.

I like it. I do something very similar.

I tell them I'm a Scientologist. They slowly back away,
then never return. No kidding.

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com
 
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> Tony P. wrote:
>
> > The best way to deal with these cretins is to literally shock them.
>
>
> I read the most interesting article on this subject a while ago. I
> think it was in The Atlantic. It said all sorts of interesting things
> about religions and new religions, but the part that stuck in my mind
> pertinent to this thread was about the door-to-doorers. The upshot was
> that you may think their ultimate goal is to chat with people they meet
> and make converts of them, and they may think that too, but there's
> another advantage to the door-to-door proselytizing that we'd never
> think of that has to do with the effect on the missionaries themselves.
> It strengthens their resolve and helps them form stronger bonds with
> each other. If you believe that the real goal is to make converts, then
> logic would say that the more they have to go through, the more pain and
> inconvenience they have to suffer at the hands of the annoyees, the
> greater the likelihood that they'll decide that it isn't worth it and to
> hang it all. That's based on behaviorism: If getting polite responses
> and converts is the positivie reinforcement, and if getting water
> splashed on them, shocking responses, naked people, rude responses, dogs
> sicced on them, angry responses, etc. are the negative reinforcement,
> then those people would have been out of there long ago.
>
>
> But that's not the way it works in this case. The positive
> reinforcement is all the shocking and rude responses that they survive.
> It makes for good stories at the base camp when they get home. Even
> if they only trudge all day, knock on doors and find most people not at
> home, the positive reinforcement is all the work they're putting in and
> all the hardship they share with each other. They can tell themselves
> that they're doing it for God. It makes them feel more like martyrs
> because they've suffered. There's a sort of internal logic that goes,
> the harder I work for something, the more it must be worth. Nevermind
> that we've all seen a thousand examples where this isn't true, there's
> still this idea that if we have to wait for the show, it must be better
> or that if we pay more for the restaurant meal, the food tastes better.
> (Food related! This is the logic behind putting the expensive grocery
> items at the back of the store. If I have to work this hard to get to
> the meat, it must be worth it.)
>
>
> Ever noticed how the missionaries tend to be young men and women in
> their late teens and early 20s working in pairs? That's exactly the age
> when young folks feel the greatest pull to the outside world, exactly
> when they're going to want to rebel. So the Church puts them to work on
> this grand adventure of door-to-door missionary work. When they're done
> with a year of service, their commitment to the Church is greater than
> it was before. They might have been downright wishy-washy about it when
> they started but not after they have a few war stories of the outrageous
> things people have said to them and about the electric shocks on door
> handles. (War stories. It is the same idea there. Look at the
> unlikely friendships and strong commitments that surviving soldiers who
> have been in combat together have.) When they're done, they've done
> their share of bonding and are ready to marry. They go door to door in
> sex-segregated pairs and stay in sex-segregated dormitory-style housing,
> but meals are taken together so the young men and women have plenty of
> time to meet and socialize.
>
>
> Really want to bother the door-to-doorers? Just don't answer the door.
> It is the best you can do. (Though I also think it would provide a
> service to do outreach to any gay or lesbian young person who might show
> up, maybe in the form of some literature. The one shocking idea that
> they might not have come across is the one about sexual orientation
> being from birth and the idea that there are places where they don't
> have to feel bad or fear hellfire for being attracted to folks of their
> own sex.) (I've never done that. In fact, I just thought of it.)

Or if you have enough property post a sign that reads "No Trespassing -
Violators will be shot until dead."

Friend of mine has 40 acres and has that very sign posted at the
beginning of his driveway. Only his reads "No Trespassin' - I own 40
acres, a shotgun and a backhoe."
 
"kalanamak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> The third week, I
> let that blanket slip, giving the boy the full treatment. They never
> came back, but I suspect I made him a true believer.

Hee, hee! I'll bet you did! It was probably a life changing event for him!

BTW, how is wee Karl? I haven't heard about him lately. Any new pictures?
I've been going through old pictures the last few days for my sister and
have Karl's 8 month picture on the desk next to me! Such a cutie!!

Charlie Liam
 
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> serene wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:48:53 -0800, Marcella Peek
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>In article <[email protected]>,
> >>"Ida Detroit" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>The secret word when dealing with the witness' is "Disfellowshipped'.
> >>>Open your door 1 inch and tell them you have been Disfellowshipped.
> >>>They will flee and never return again. It is their equivilent of
> >>>ex-communicated.
> >>
> >>Handing them a Book of Mormon in exchange for their Watchtower works
> >>too. It's amazingly effective. Then you can save the Watchtower for
> >>the other ones.
> >
> >
> > I prefer handing them one of these:
> >
> > http://www.jhuger.com/pamphlets/kha.pdf
> > http://www.jhuger.com/pamphlets/bibthump.pdf
> > http://www.jhuger.com/pamphlets/watchmaker.pdf
> >
> > If there were pdfs of these, I'd keep some around to counteract the
> > Chick Tract folks:
> >
> > http://www.jhuger.com/tract/tyd/index
> > http://www.jhuger.com/tract/dtr/index
> >
> > serene (disclosure: the author is my partner)
>
> If you could give him a personal thank you, that would be great :)

I emailed the Reverend thanking him for his contributions and notified
him that I'd linked his site on my blog.

Sure enough I also mentioned that I was also a Reverend and it turns out
we were both ordained through the Universal Life Church. What a small
world.
 
Reg sez:

> I like it. I do something very similar.
>
> I tell them I'm a Scientologist. They slowly back away,
> then never return. No kidding.
>
> --
> Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

Hah! Does that mean you're "clear," Reg??!?

Spitz
--
"Home, James, and don't spare the horses!"
 
Spitzmaus wrote:

> Reg sez:
>
>
>>I like it. I do something very similar.
>>
>>I tell them I'm a Scientologist. They slowly back away,
>>then never return. No kidding.
>>
>
>
> Hah! Does that mean you're "clear," Reg??!?


Heck no. I've never met anyone who actually is :)

It shows what a reputation Scientology has though. Even the Jehovah's
Witnesses won't go near them. It sure comes in handy.

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com
 
Reg sez:

> It shows what a reputation Scientology has though. Even the Jehovah's
> Witnesses won't go near them. It sure comes in handy.
>
> --
> Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

So true. It's an amusing image: JWs fleeing en masse from the
Scientologists, the latter waving battered copies of "Dianetics" in the air.

Spitz
--
"Home, James, and don't spare the horses!"
 
This whole thread reminds me of when we lived in Germantown, TN and
belonged to Germantown Presbyterian Church. My kids, then in high
school, had been raised in the Presbyterian church and had no
experience of fundamentalist Christian churches. One of my daughter's
friends invited her to a pizza party with the Baptist youth group just
down the street. Being an Enlightened Parent who thought kids should
be exposed to different "cultures," I gave my permission.

Kristen came home somewhat bewildered. At the start of the "pizza
party," there was some preachin' and so forth in the sanctuary, then
the youth group leader (or whoever it was) made an altar call. Kristen
had never *heard* of an altar call, which is inviting the "unsaved" a
chance to take Jesus Christ as their Lord and saviour, and thus *be*
"saved." I asked her what she did then. She said she went to the
front of the sanctuary with a few others. I asked her why. She said
she thought this is what she needed to do (as a non-church member) to
get pizza.

When asked if she repented of her sins and accepted Jesus Christ as
her Lord and saviour, she blurted, "Jesus likes pizza?"

I think it was all straightened out, but I would have paid money to
see the look on the youth director's face.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"
 
Tony P. wrote:

> Unless of course one day you happen to catcth the one that also happens
> to be gay. Then you're in for a surprise. Statistically speaking you've
> got about a 1:10 chance of that happening.


I've seen the 1:10 people are gay statistic over and over. Does anyone
know where it comes from or how the study was done? What is the
definition of "gay" used for the statistic? 1:10 people I know aren't
gay so I wonder about the statistic's correctness. (Might it be like the
statistic that 1:4 women and 1:7 men were sexually abused?) (Or the one
about how 1:8 women will get breast cancer?)


--Lia
 
Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> When asked if she repented of her sins and accepted Jesus Christ as
> her Lord and saviour, she blurted, "Jesus likes pizza?"
>
> I think it was all straightened out, but I would have paid money to
> see the look on the youth director's face.

Ok, I think I just laughed about as hard as I have ever laughed. That
story is priceless!
-L.
 
Cindy Fuller wrote:
> Doesn't often work for me, and I am a Unitarian. It just emboldens the
> JW's. When the nice Southern Baptist ladies once stopped by to invite
> me to church when I lived in Dallas, I turned tables and said, "I'm
> chair of the membership committee at First Unitarian (and I was at that
> time), and I'd like to invite you to OUR service." Talk about turning
> tail and running!

LOL...yeah, we're Satan's apostles, doncha know. Nothing like a little
free thought to scare away the Fundies. ;)


>
> OB Food: Last week we hosted a Seahawks watching party and served
> antipasti. This week we're doing it again, and SO is making chicken
> wings. He opted not to make Buffalo-style wings, since he was afraid
> that would jinx the Hawks' chances. Since next week is the calm before
> the hype, I'm having the annual Vietnamese dinner I offer at the church
> auction.

Oooh...that sounds yummy!
-L.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Julia Altshuler <[email protected]> wrote:

> Tony P. wrote:
>
> > Unless of course one day you happen to catcth the one that also happens
> > to be gay. Then you're in for a surprise. Statistically speaking you've
> > got about a 1:10 chance of that happening.
>
>
> I've seen the 1:10 people are gay statistic over and over. Does anyone
> know where it comes from or how the study was done? What is the
> definition of "gay" used for the statistic? 1:10 people I know aren't
> gay so I wonder about the statistic's correctness. (Might it be like the
> statistic that 1:4 women and 1:7 men were sexually abused?) (Or the one
> about how 1:8 women will get breast cancer?)
>
>
> --Lia
>

Well... In my lifetime, I've only become freinds with a limited number
of men.

6 of them are gay. (3 couples)

So, my own statistics say closer to 30%. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-*****." -Jack Nicholson
 
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:00:25 -0500, Tony P.
<[email protected]> connected the dots and wrote:


~Or if you have enough property post a sign that reads "No Trespassing
-
~Violators will be shot until dead."
~
~Friend of mine has 40 acres and has that very sign posted at the
~beginning of his driveway. Only his reads "No Trespassin' - I own 40
~acres, a shotgun and a backhoe."


Sounds like you're friend with Sheldon, altho he's never mentioned the
shotgun....

maxine in ri
 
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