Re: "Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation, including hiking."



"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>> Such as our explanation for responding to Vandy's lies and misinformation
>> considering access, trails, conservation and off-road cycling?
>> Apparently, it is you who can not grasp the "explanation". My (and
>> others') posts to Vandy are in direct response to his attacks on an
>> activity that we enjoy and his posts also attempt to close all
>> communication beyond his narrow views on the topic. We only want to keep
>> that communication open for real information and cooperation to grow the
>> movement to protect areas, rather than have them paved over.

>
> You do not have to keep doing it over and over ad infinitum. When you do
> so you make yourself out as nothing but a stalker. Get your own posts
> going on what you want and let Vandeman occasionally have the opportunity
> of responding to you. How the hell can you be so unfair all the time? Are
> you even an American? We Americans pride ourselves on our sense of fair
> play.


Why not lead by example...? You haven't done anything but extend this thread
to see your own words.
From e. dolan on another thread: "Usenet is strictly for idiots, assholes
and jerks - positively no exceptions! When I am on Usenet I try to be the
biggest idiot, asshole and jerk of them all. I set the standard for one and
all. I believe I can state with absolute assurance that I am the Greatest
Idiot, the Greatest Asshole and the Greatest Jerk that Usenet has ever known
in its' long and dishonored history. For Christ's sakes, I prove it every
time I post. Can't any of you poor bastards read?"

The same argument all over several threads... ? So doley can see his own
words? So he can try to convince nobody he is some kind of moderator?

This thread has died. Since "Impotence" best describes doley's presence,
that is where I'll be responding


>
> Vandeman can attack all he wants to and it is not your business to
> regurgitate your boilerplate responses to his every utterance. Try not to
> be nothing but a negative echo to him. You are too intelligent for that.
> Get your own agenda and forget about him. I will read your messages and
> perhaps even post some original ones of my own. RBS is being ruined by
> your rote responses. No one else seems to be on this newsgroup (RBS)
> except for a handful. Why is that when this should be the most
> invigorating of all the newsgroups connected with cycling?

If you want to discuss outdoor access on point, then do so. Crying "foul"
because you got stepped on clinging to Vandy's opinions is not my concern.
Dead thread. See "Impotence"..
>
> RBM is just chock full of idiots and I only go there to stir the pot. RBS
> should be the heart and soul of cycling and yet it is the deadest of all
> the cycling groups. Do you not feel any responsibility for this? I would
> like to see RBS flourish with lots of intellectual stimulation concerning
> the world of cycling. But how can that be when all anyone sees is yours
> and Vandeman's posts forever on a single subject? Try not to be so crazy
> all the time!
>
> I repeat, it is not necessary that you respond to Vandeman's every
> utterance. In fact, it is insane for you to do this. No one else does this
> kind of crazy nonsense except you. Stop with the scotch whiskey and get
> focused on other things in life.


See... you keep comparing me to you. Your tactics of conversation turned
around. And it takes the mental capacity of chewed gum to do it!
This thread is dead. Like playing ping-pong with a wall...
Since your posts have no consequence, I'll just keep it in the "Impotence"
thread.
 
"Chris Foster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> SMS is a reasonable person and I have no bones to pick with him, but
>> Curtiss tries my patience. He just goes on and on and finally becomes
>> pointless and brainless. We really do not need Chris Foster chipping
>> in with his inane comments, but I do not mind him as much as I do
>> Curtiss. I do not think it is fair at all to Vandeman the way he is
>> being treated on these newsgroups. All I see is a lot of bullying
>> going on. Even SMS should object to that.
>>

>
>
> If Vandeman didn't attack, we wouldn't defend.
>
> Have you noticed that Mike is absent in the past week or so, maybe he is
> out actually accomplishing something, unlike Conan the Librarian
>

Excellent!
 
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> [...]
>>> I am showing all your mountain biker buddies that you are even a greater
>>> asshole than they suspected.

>>
>> Keyword "buddies"... They already don't like you so and I am
>> inconsequential to them either way. You have about as much influence on
>> their opinion of me as you would changing the orbit of the moon.

>
> You would be surprised at how fickle people can be. I assure you there are
> probably very many mountain bikers on AMB who do not like you at all.

....and, if even true, that effects me how....? Besides... How many are still
riding bikes on trails because Vandy's opinions have not been accepted?
>I consider it a badge of honor if they do not like me. I am revered on my
>own group ARBR where I am not only a Great Saint but indeed a God!
>

ROFLMAO!!!! Damn... Now I need new pants...
 
"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Such as our explanation for responding to Vandy's lies and
>>> misinformation considering access, trails, conservation and off-road
>>> cycling? Apparently, it is you who can not grasp the "explanation". My
>>> (and others') posts to Vandy are in direct response to his attacks on an
>>> activity that we enjoy and his posts also attempt to close all
>>> communication beyond his narrow views on the topic. We only want to keep
>>> that communication open for real information and cooperation to grow the
>>> movement to protect areas, rather than have them paved over.

>>
>> You do not have to keep doing it over and over ad infinitum. When you do
>> so you make yourself out as nothing but a stalker. Get your own posts
>> going on what you want and let Vandeman occasionally have the opportunity
>> of responding to you. How the hell can you be so unfair all the time? Are
>> you even an American? We Americans pride ourselves on our sense of fair
>> play.

>
> Why not lead by example...? You haven't done anything but extend this
> thread to see your own words.
> From e. dolan on another thread: "Usenet is strictly for idiots, assholes
> and jerks - positively no exceptions! When I am on Usenet I try to be the
> biggest idiot, asshole and jerk of them all. I set the standard for one
> and all. I believe I can state with absolute assurance that I am the
> Greatest Idiot, the Greatest Asshole and the Greatest Jerk that Usenet has
> ever known in its' long and dishonored history. For Christ's sakes, I
> prove it every time I post. Can't any of you poor bastards read?"
>
> The same argument all over several threads... ? So doley can see his own
> words? So he can try to convince nobody he is some kind of moderator?
>
> This thread has died. Since "Impotence" best describes doley's presence,
> that is where I'll be responding
>
>
>>
>> Vandeman can attack all he wants to and it is not your business to
>> regurgitate your boilerplate responses to his every utterance. Try not to
>> be nothing but a negative echo to him. You are too intelligent for that.
>> Get your own agenda and forget about him. I will read your messages and
>> perhaps even post some original ones of my own. RBS is being ruined by
>> your rote responses. No one else seems to be on this newsgroup (RBS)
>> except for a handful. Why is that when this should be the most
>> invigorating of all the newsgroups connected with cycling?

> If you want to discuss outdoor access on point, then do so. Crying "foul"
> because you got stepped on clinging to Vandy's opinions is not my concern.
> Dead thread. See "Impotence"..
>>
>> RBM is just chock full of idiots and I only go there to stir the pot. RBS
>> should be the heart and soul of cycling and yet it is the deadest of all
>> the cycling groups. Do you not feel any responsibility for this? I would
>> like to see RBS flourish with lots of intellectual stimulation concerning
>> the world of cycling. But how can that be when all anyone sees is yours
>> and Vandeman's posts forever on a single subject? Try not to be so crazy
>> all the time!
>>
>> I repeat, it is not necessary that you respond to Vandeman's every
>> utterance. In fact, it is insane for you to do this. No one else does
>> this kind of crazy nonsense except you. Stop with the scotch whiskey and
>> get focused on other things in life.

>
> See... you keep comparing me to you. Your tactics of conversation turned
> around. And it takes the mental capacity of chewed gum to do it!
> This thread is dead. Like playing ping-pong with a wall...
> Since your posts have no consequence, I'll just keep it in the "Impotence"
> thread.


Curtiss is nothing but a stalker and a leech. Screw him all the way to Hell
and back!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Awww... You invited me now you want to throw me out...? You began this
>>> incursion into the other groups. You have the responsibility to fix it.
>>> Besides, you have stated ALL groups are for "idiots"... so why would it
>>> matter where I show up. It apparently has not stopped you from posting
>>> as and where you wish.

>>
>> The newsgroup issue has already been fixed as far as I am concerned. Or
>> do you not even look at the newsgroups you are posting to, you confounded
>> idiot! I will shortly change the subject heading of this thread if it
>> continues to reflect the fact that it is now all about you and your
>> reprehensible conduct. I will change it to 'Curtiss the Stalker' or some
>> such heading.

>
> Frightening... What do you do for an encore? Hold your breath...? Stomp
> your little feet? Cover ears and scream?


Yea, Curtiss is nothing but a stalker and a leech - and a blood sucking
parasite on Vandeman. He deserves his own thread - and so here it is:
Curtiss the Stalker and the Leech - Part III.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"Chris Foster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Chris Foster wrote:
>>>
>>>> "worthless piece of ****" is name calling bright boy. I know you
>>>> are a little slow, but try to keep up.
>>>
>>> Can we end this thread already? It's degraded into this sort of name
>>> calling.
>>>
>>> I started this thread in order to get the evidence out there to
>>> counter the false statements by Vandeman. While Dolan may not be the
>>> most diplomatic poster, at least he has admitted that in fact the
>>> reason he doesn't like mountain bikers is that they disrupt the
>>> solitude of hiking (though mountain bikers could say the same thing
>>> about hikers disrupting their experience as well).
>>>
>>> The important thing is that no one, not even Dolan, disputes the fact
>>> that mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of
>>> recreation, including hiking.
>>>
>>> All the studies, and all the evidence supports this fact. No one has
>>> ever posted anything that disputes it.

>>
>> All thread topics wander after the initial posts to the original
>> subject. I think what we should do from time to time is change the
>> subject headings to reflect more accurately where the topic is at. We
>> could now designate this topic 'how to name call'. That is what most
>> topics degenerate to anyway as far as I can tell.
>>
>> SMS is a reasonable person and I have no bones to pick with him, but
>> Curtiss tries my patience. He just goes on and on and finally becomes
>> pointless and brainless. We really do not need Chris Foster chipping
>> in with his inane comments, but I do not mind him as much as I do
>> Curtiss. I do not think it is fair at all to Vandeman the way he is
>> being treated on these newsgroups. All I see is a lot of bullying
>> going on. Even SMS should object to that.
>>

>
>
> If Vandeman didn't attack, we wouldn't defend.


Vandeman posts original material that is of interest. All you and Curtiss do
is post ****.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> [...]
>>>> I am showing all your mountain biker buddies that you are even a
>>>> greater asshole than they suspected.
>>>
>>> Keyword "buddies"... They already don't like you so and I am
>>> inconsequential to them either way. You have about as much influence on
>>> their opinion of me as you would changing the orbit of the moon.

>>
>> You would be surprised at how fickle people can be. I assure you there
>> are probably very many mountain bikers on AMB who do not like you at all.

> ...and, if even true, that effects me how....? Besides... How many are
> still riding bikes on trails because Vandy's opinions have not been
> accepted?
>>I consider it a badge of honor if they do not like me. I am revered on my
>>own group ARBR where I am not only a Great Saint but indeed a God!
>>

> ROFLMAO!!!! Damn... Now I need new pants...


You also need something for your head as you are basically a **** head which
you prove every time you post.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"Chris Foster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:31Uog.26048$FR1.17635@dukeread05:
>
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>>> I am showing all your mountain biker buddies that you are even a
>>>>> greater asshole than they suspected.
>>>>
>>>> Keyword "buddies"... They already don't like you so and I am
>>>> inconsequential to them either way. You have about as much influence
>>>> on their opinion of me as you would changing the orbit of the moon.
>>>
>>> You would be surprised at how fickle people can be. I assure you
>>> there are probably very many mountain bikers on AMB who do not like
>>> you at all.

>> ...and, if even true, that effects me how....? Besides... How many are
>> still riding bikes on trails because Vandy's opinions have not been
>> accepted?
>>>I consider it a badge of honor if they do not like me. I am revered on
>>>my own group ARBR where I am not only a Great Saint but indeed a God!
>>>

>> ROFLMAO!!!! Damn... Now I need new pants...

>
> Spot on, on many levels.
>
> I needed new pants after rading this and laughing so hard.


Just a couple of **** heads and that is how I will treat them from now on.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
On 26 Jun 2006 13:03:40 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:a51ng.15289$FR1.9391@dukeread05:
>
>>
>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:34:34 -0400, "S Curtiss"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, many thanks for commenting yet once again on my Greatness! I
>>>>> know I am remarkable in every way, but please, temper your remarks
>>>>> as I am easily
>>>>> embarrassed by too much praise. After all, modesty is next to
>>>>> Godliness.
>>>>
>>>>Anyone have any toilet paper...? Someone dropped a load of **** over
>>>>here.
>>>
>>> ... something you just can't RESIST commenting on, like a dog that
>>> has to sniff every round brown object he can find.... Baiting you is
>>> the easiest thing in the world.

>> I've had lots of practice recognizing **** by reading your posts.
>> I thought the easiest thing was watching you abandon a topic once you
>> get backed into a corner on your own statements.
>>
>>
>>

>
>Oh so true. Once he gets his silly ass kicked, he abandons the thread as
>quickly as he pisses his pants when confrounted by one ****** off mountain
>biker.


As uaual, mountain bikers think that VIOLENCE is the answer to all of
their problems, such as being forced to obey the law.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On 27 Jun 2006 12:00:49 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Some cross posting will involve a half dozen newsgroups. This is
>>>> almost always wrong. However, there can be some cross posting to one
>>>> or two other newsgroups from time to time. For instance, these
>>>> threads on mountain biking on hiking trails seem to belong to AMB
>>>> and RBS, but not to ARBR and RBM. What is there about this that you
>>>> do not understand?
>>>
>>> You are a hypocrite, you and Vandy are the ones cross posting. Then
>>> you tell everyone to not cross post. I understand very clearly. I
>>> also understand very clearly that you are a hypocrite.

>>
>> What you don't understand is an explanation. How the hell did you ever
>> get through Graduate School? See the above message and read it at
>> least ten times or however many it takes for it to sink into that
>> addled brain of yours.
>>

>
>
>
>Who did the cross posting fool ??? It was either you or Vandy. What dont
>you undestand about that???
>
>It wasnt Curtiss or I, What dont you undestand about that???
>
>Since you created the infraction,


What is the "infraction"?

then later scolded others for the exact
>infraction that you commited, you are a hypocrite. What dont you
>undestand about that???
>
>
>I know you are a little slow, but try to keep up.

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:53:32 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> You are a hypocrite, you and Vandy are the ones cross posting. Then
>>>>>> you tell everyone to not cross post. I understand very clearly. I
>>>>>> also understand very clearly that you are a hypocrite.
>>>>>
>>>>> What you don't understand is an explanation. How the hell did you ever
>>>>> get through Graduate School? See the above message and read it at
>>>>> least ten times or however many it takes for it to sink into that
>>>>> addled brain of yours.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who did the cross posting fool ??? It was either you or Vandy. What
>>>> dont
>>>> you undestand about that???
>>>>
>>>> It wasnt Curtiss or I, What dont you undestand about that???
>>>>
>>>> Since you created the infraction, then later scolded others for the
>>>> exact
>>>> infraction that you commited, you are a hypocrite. What dont you
>>>> undestand about that???

>>
>> Don't use big words like 'hypocrite' when you do not know what they mean.
>> It makes you sound even more stupid that you already are.

>Oh my... go ahead - point your finger! Your cat is already out of the bag.
>Blaming others at this point is just pathetic.
>>
>> > He thinks this is the Catholic Church. He thinks he has confessed so
>>> therefore has some sort of absolution.
>>> But an atheist can't receive the blessing from confession, can he?

>>
>> Don't use big words like 'confession' when you do not know what they mean.
>> It makes you sound even more stupid that you already are.

>Right... Your attempts at trying to draw attention away from yourself are
>groing weaker... weaker... weaker....
>>
>> Curtiss and Foster are made for one another. Neither one of them can
>> understand a crystal clear explanation. How the Hell can Vandeman stand
>> such freaking idiots. Vandeman has said that all mountain bikers are
>> idiots - and that they surely are. They are also scoundrels based on the
>> evidence above.

>
>Such as our explanation for responding to Vandy's lies and misinformation
>considering access, trails, conservation and off-road cycling? Apparently,
>it is you who can not grasp the "explanation". My (and others') posts to
>Vandy are in direct response to his attacks on an activity that we enjoy and
>his posts also attempt to close all communication beyond his narrow views on
>the topic. We only want to keep that communication open for real information


Meaning "mountain bikers' lies".

>and cooperation to grow the movement to protect areas, rather than have them
>paved over.
>

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:03:43 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>>> What a pathetic little worm! The only reason any of my posts went to
>>>>> the NGs you mention is because YOU directed them there! I am NOT going
>>>>> to pick up after you or address your silly demands about my posts. Your
>>>>> opinion of people who frequent AMB is meaningless. Besides, they all
>>>>> kicked your ass on an intellectual level, a smart-ass level and an
>>>>> interest level. Just as they've done with MV for over 10 years.
>>>>
>>>> I have explained in a previous post on another thread what was being
>>>> attempted and that it failed. Now, you need to go back to your freaking
>>>> lair and confine yourself to your fellow idiots on AMB. Frankly, I do
>>>> not even like you on RBS as you just spout the same old nonsense over
>>>> and over.
>>>
>>> A: I don't care what you like.

>>
>> You should because I am the only one who will tell you what a fool you
>> are. You do nothing but stalk Vandeman. Pitiful! Get a life you moron!

>Apparently, I am also kicking you around like a soccer ball, you mental
>midget.
>>
>>> B: Your attempt failed. I wasn't the idiot who cross-posted to
>>> unnecessary groups attempting to create non-content in specifically
>>> titled NGs only to satisfy some yearning for attention.

>>
>> I have already explained that to you, but you are too dense to know an
>> explanation when you see it.

>As I have explained why we tackle Vandy's opinions with real information and
>real-world options. As I am, apparently are you. The difference is your
>desire to disrupt and claim to be "great". I have made no such claim. I
>merely do not accept yours or Vandy's claims.
>>
>>> C: I don't need to "go" anywhere.

>>
>> You need to go straight to Hell and stay there. Everyone on these
>> newsgroups is sick of your ****.

>Really...? Then why is it they are asking you to f**k off...? I have had no
>such requests - except from you, aka: conan the librarion.
>>
>>>> How the hell could a bunch of idiots on AMB ever kick anyone's asses but
>>>> their own - and yours. That group is completely off my radar. I wish you
>>>> would get over there and stay there with all your ilk. You do not belong
>>>> on RBS. You are ruining that newsgourp with your confounded idiocies.
>>>> Stay on AMB why don't you!
>>>
>>> Apparently, it was YOU that opened the gates for the posts to show there
>>> in the first place. Besides, Vandy has been posting to MB, SOC, SCI, CA &
>>> ENVIRON for years.... When I hit "reply", the message goes where the
>>> headers address it to.

>>
>> That is no excuse for not doing your own editing of the headers. But you
>> are nothing if not a stalker of Vandeman. Vandeman's original posts can go
>> to multiple newsgroups since they are chock full of interesting
>> information. Your posts are devoid of everything except yourself. They
>> should probably only be going to AMB if truth be told.

>Interesting to who...? You...? Who elected you "moderator"?
>At least those of us posting with opposing views have read or done some
>research on Vandy and his views. You merely act as a parrot.
>>
>>> Your opinion of my posts is not a filter for determining qualification.
>>> Yours certainly handle "on topic" like a fish on a unicycle - so what
>>> makes your "off-topic" any more special than any others?

>>
>> My off-topics reek of genius whereas your off-topics reek of idiocy.

>Your reference to yourself has no meaning. Your opinion of yourself has no
>validation. Likewise, your opinion of me.
>Perhaps you are partially correct, since any "off-topic" posts I make
>concern you or Vandy, I suppose they would "reek of idiocy".
>>
>>>>> You came out with your self-important, "sacred trail" nonsense with,
>>>>> what is apparent now, an agenda of inflaming the topic. You crawled
>>>>> back to ARBR with some whining apology about cross-posting and making
>>>>> things "more lively".

>>
>> I am on RBS to stay, so get used to me being here. I don't give a good
>> g.d. about AMB. That group is reserved for idiots like you.

>Your presence anywhere is of no consequence. Therefore your opinion of me is
>of no consequence.


If that were true, you wouldn't be trying so hard (unsuccessfully, of
course) to discredit him!

>>>> There was no one else on ARBR or RBM that was interested in your ****.
>>>> You are a nothing but one long monologue of tedium. You should read your
>>>> own messages sometime. One thing is for sure, no one else is reading
>>>> them. Have you not noticed how Vandeman just gives you a one-liner
>>>> retort and then like an idiot you go on and on. I said it before and I
>>>> will say it again, there is something wrong with the way your brain
>>>> works.
>>>
>>> Then why did you direct them there in the first place?

>>
>> "I have already explained that to you, but you are too dense to know an
>> explanation when you see it." - Ed Dolan

>Like I (and others) explained our reasons for posting in support of real
>information and cooperation concerning trails and access. Vandy refuses to
>even recognize that there could be other options. You are too dense to grasp
>that I and others are not going to lift a finger to fix your screw up.
>>
>>> Here's an invitation to stop reading if you find my responses beyond your
>>> comprehension. Why tax your brain needlessly, little man?

>>
>> Curtiss, you are an idiot!

>And you are like a child throwing marshmallows....
>>
>>>>> I only posted you to begin with because you filtered Vandy's opinions
>>>>> and added your own **** on top. Vandeman is f*****g dangerous to the
>>>>> environmental movement by splintering discussion, making false claims,
>>>>> setting himself as an authority and accomplishing NOTHING! When I and
>>>>> others point this out, it is only for the purpose of making sure anyone
>>>>> looking for real information will have a constant reminder in their
>>>>> search of his usenet posts, his tactics and his lies. They all show up
>>>>> in a general search on Yahoo and Google and anyone seeking reference on
>>>>> him will find them.
>>>>
>>>> All of the above is nothing but crazy Curtiss ****. There is no one who
>>>> is going to give any credence to anything that is said by anyone on
>>>> Usenet. Curtiss is the dumbest of the dumb. In fact, he is so dumb that
>>>> I am starting to feel sorry for him. One thing is for sure, he only
>>>> belongs on AMB where he can consort with his own kind.
>>>
>>> Since usenet has, as you say, no credibility... then "ed dolan (conan
>>> the librarian)" has no credibility since this is where your time, and
>>> mind, is spent.
>>> So... your opinion of the matter is useless on either side.

>>
>> I have already told you previously that I am here slumming. I like to
>> touch base with idiots like you every now and then so I do not become
>> permanently estranged from the human race.

>Don't you mean so you can try to validate your pathetic existence...? Any
>response, as long as there is a response...?
>Your opinion of anyone else as an idiot was tainted the first time you
>signed off as "the great"...
>>
>>>>> As for you - you are a lonely old ******* who has built a house of
>>>>> convenience around yourself. You put off everything in life that
>>>>> matters and rationalize it away to fit your pathetic existence.
>>>>> And I see you took your own initiative and clipped the other groups.
>>>>> Good! You put them there in the first place.
>>>>> You may think I'm "pitiful".... It means nothing coming from conan
>>>>> the librarian.
>>>>> You have accomplished one thing. You ****** me off. Thanks for nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, many thanks for commenting yet once again on my Greatness! I know I
>>>> am remarkable in every way, but please, temper your remarks as I am
>>>> easily embarrassed by too much praise. After all, modesty is next to
>>>> Godliness.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any toilet paper...? Someone dropped a load of **** over
>>> here.

>>
>> "Yes, many thanks for commenting yet once again on my Greatness! I know I
>> am remarkable in every way, but please, temper your remarks as I am easily
>> embarrassed by too much praise. After all, modesty is next to
>> Godliness." - Ed Dolan

>Think nothing of it. That should be easy for you....
>

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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:09:47 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:mJZng.25191$FR1.7231@dukeread05...
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>>> What a pathetic little worm! The only reason any of my posts went to
>>>>>> the NGs you mention is because YOU directed them there! I am NOT going
>>>>>> to pick up after you or address your silly demands about my posts.
>>>>>> Your opinion of people who frequent AMB is meaningless. Besides, they
>>>>>> all kicked your ass on an intellectual level, a smart-ass level and an
>>>>>> interest level. Just as they've done with MV for over 10 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have explained in a previous post on another thread what was being
>>>>> attempted and that it failed. Now, you need to go back to your freaking
>>>>> lair and confine yourself to your fellow idiots on AMB. Frankly, I do
>>>>> not even like you on RBS as you just spout the same old nonsense over
>>>>> and over.
>>>>
>>>> A: I don't care what you like.
>>>
>>> You should because I am the only one who will tell you what a fool you
>>> are. You do nothing but stalk Vandeman. Pitiful! Get a life you moron!

>> Apparently, I am also kicking you around like a soccer ball, you mental
>> midget.

>
>You are nothing but a one note Johnny!
>
>>>> B: Your attempt failed. I wasn't the idiot who cross-posted to
>>>> unnecessary groups attempting to create non-content in specifically
>>>> titled NGs only to satisfy some yearning for attention.
>>>
>>> I have already explained that to you, but you are too dense to know an
>>> explanation when you see it.

>> As I have explained why we tackle Vandy's opinions with real information
>> and real-world options. As I am, apparently are you. The difference is
>> your desire to disrupt and claim to be "great". I have made no such claim.
>> I merely do not accept yours or Vandy's claims.

>
>You are nothing but a one note Johnny!
>
>>>> C: I don't need to "go" anywhere.
>>>
>>> You need to go straight to Hell and stay there. Everyone on these
>>> newsgroups is sick of your ****.

>> Really...? Then why is it they are asking you to f**k off...? I have had
>> no such requests - except from you, aka: conan the librarion.

>
>You are nothing but a one note Johnny!
>
>>>>> How the hell could a bunch of idiots on AMB ever kick anyone's asses
>>>>> but their own - and yours. That group is completely off my radar. I
>>>>> wish you would get over there and stay there with all your ilk. You do
>>>>> not belong on RBS. You are ruining that newsgourp with your confounded
>>>>> idiocies. Stay on AMB why don't you!
>>>>
>>>> Apparently, it was YOU that opened the gates for the posts to show there
>>>> in the first place. Besides, Vandy has been posting to MB, SOC, SCI, CA
>>>> & ENVIRON for years.... When I hit "reply", the message goes where the
>>>> headers address it to.
>>>
>>> That is no excuse for not doing your own editing of the headers. But you
>>> are nothing if not a stalker of Vandeman. Vandeman's original posts can
>>> go to multiple newsgroups since they are chock full of interesting
>>> information. Your posts are devoid of everything except yourself. They
>>> should probably only be going to AMB if truth be told.

>> Interesting to who...? You...? Who elected you "moderator"?
>> At least those of us posting with opposing views have read or done some
>> research on Vandy and his views. You merely act as a parrot.

>
>You are nothing but a one note Johnny!
>
>>>> Your opinion of my posts is not a filter for determining qualification.
>>>> Yours certainly handle "on topic" like a fish on a unicycle - so what
>>>> makes your "off-topic" any more special than any others?
>>>
>>> My off-topics reek of genius whereas your off-topics reek of idiocy.

>> Your reference to yourself has no meaning. Your opinion of yourself has no
>> validation. Likewise, your opinion of me.
>> Perhaps you are partially correct, since any "off-topic" posts I make
>> concern you or Vandy, I suppose they would "reek of idiocy".

>
>You are nothing but a one note Johnny!
>
>>>>>> You came out with your self-important, "sacred trail" nonsense with,
>>>>>> what is apparent now, an agenda of inflaming the topic. You crawled
>>>>>> back to ARBR with some whining apology about cross-posting and making
>>>>>> things "more lively".
>>>
>>> I am on RBS to stay, so get used to me being here. I don't give a good
>>> g.d. about AMB. That group is reserved for idiots like you.

>> Your presence anywhere is of no consequence. Therefore your opinion of me
>> is of no consequence.

>
>You are nothing but a one note Johnny!
>
>>>>> There was no one else on ARBR or RBM that was interested in your ****.
>>>>> You are a nothing but one long monologue of tedium. You should read
>>>>> your own messages sometime. One thing is for sure, no one else is
>>>>> reading them. Have you not noticed how Vandeman just gives you a
>>>>> one-liner retort and then like an idiot you go on and on. I said it
>>>>> before and I will say it again, there is something wrong with the way
>>>>> your brain works.
>>>>
>>>> Then why did you direct them there in the first place?
>>>
>>> "I have already explained that to you, but you are too dense to know an
>>> explanation when you see it." - Ed Dolan

>> Like I (and others) explained our reasons for posting in support of real
>> information and cooperation concerning trails and access. Vandy refuses to
>> even recognize that there could be other options. You are too dense to
>> grasp that I and others are not going to lift a finger to fix your screw
>> up.

>
>You are nothing but a one note Johnny!
>[...]
>
>Screw the rest of this idiot's message. How the hell can Vandeman put up
>with such a worthless piece of **** as Curtiss. He never says anything
>different. The same old **** over and over again. He is good for nothing but
>name calling and so that is all I will do with him from now on.


It's like watching a fish struggling to free itself from the hook --
except that the fish is far more noble and interesting.... Curtiss is
hooked on us. :)

>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>

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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:02:58 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Chris Foster wrote:
>
>> "worthless piece of ****" is name calling bright boy. I know you are a
>> little slow, but try to keep up.

>
>Can we end this thread already? It's degraded into this sort of name
>calling.
>
>I started this thread in order to get the evidence out there to counter
> the false statements by Vandeman. While Dolan may not be the most
>diplomatic poster, at least he has admitted that in fact the reason he
>doesn't like mountain bikers is that they disrupt the solitude of hiking
>(though mountain bikers could say the same thing about hikers disrupting
>their experience as well).
>
>The important thing is that no one, not even Dolan, disputes the fact
>that mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation,
>including hiking.
>
>All the studies, and all the evidence supports this fact. No one has
>ever posted anything that disputes it.


Except me: http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:55:28 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Chris Foster wrote:
>>
>>> "worthless piece of ****" is name calling bright boy. I know you are a
>>> little slow, but try to keep up.

>>
>> Can we end this thread already? It's degraded into this sort of name
>> calling.
>>
>> I started this thread in order to get the evidence out there to counter
>> the false statements by Vandeman. While Dolan may not be the most
>> diplomatic poster, at least he has admitted that in fact the reason he
>> doesn't like mountain bikers is that they disrupt the solitude of hiking
>> (though mountain bikers could say the same thing about hikers disrupting
>> their experience as well).
>>
>> The important thing is that no one, not even Dolan, disputes the fact that
>> mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation,
>> including hiking.
>>
>> All the studies, and all the evidence supports this fact. No one has ever
>> posted anything that disputes it.

>
>I, for one, agree. Anybody else?


No one else is listening.
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On 29 Jun 2006 12:09:43 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Chris Foster wrote:
>>>
>>>> "worthless piece of ****" is name calling bright boy. I know you
>>>> are a little slow, but try to keep up.
>>>
>>> Can we end this thread already? It's degraded into this sort of name
>>> calling.
>>>
>>> I started this thread in order to get the evidence out there to
>>> counter the false statements by Vandeman. While Dolan may not be the
>>> most diplomatic poster, at least he has admitted that in fact the
>>> reason he doesn't like mountain bikers is that they disrupt the
>>> solitude of hiking (though mountain bikers could say the same thing
>>> about hikers disrupting their experience as well).
>>>
>>> The important thing is that no one, not even Dolan, disputes the fact
>>> that mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of
>>> recreation, including hiking.
>>>
>>> All the studies, and all the evidence supports this fact. No one has
>>> ever posted anything that disputes it.

>>
>> All thread topics wander after the initial posts to the original
>> subject. I think what we should do from time to time is change the
>> subject headings to reflect more accurately where the topic is at. We
>> could now designate this topic 'how to name call'. That is what most
>> topics degenerate to anyway as far as I can tell.
>>
>> SMS is a reasonable person and I have no bones to pick with him, but
>> Curtiss tries my patience. He just goes on and on and finally becomes
>> pointless and brainless. We really do not need Chris Foster chipping
>> in with his inane comments, but I do not mind him as much as I do
>> Curtiss. I do not think it is fair at all to Vandeman the way he is
>> being treated on these newsgroups. All I see is a lot of bullying
>> going on. Even SMS should object to that.
>>

>
>
>If Vandeman didn't attack, we wouldn't defend.


I don't "attack". I just tell the truth -- something mountain bikers
can't stand.

>Have you noticed that Mike is absent in the past week or so, maybe he is
>out actually accomplishing something, unlike Conan the Librarian

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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:57:52 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:cKcog.25966$FR1.6564@dukeread05...
>>>
>>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are nothing but a one note Johnny!
>>>> You are nothing but a one note Johnny!
>>>> You are nothing but a one note Johnny!
>>>> You are nothing but a one note Johnny!
>>>> You are nothing but a one note Johnny!
>>>> You are nothing but a one note Johnny!
>>>> You are nothing but a one note Johnny!
>>>> [...]
>>> Clever. I expect nothing less from the "great" conan the librarian.
>>>>
>>>> Screw the rest of this idiot's message. How the hell can Vandeman put up
>>>> with such a worthless piece of **** as Curtiss. He never says anything
>>>> different. The same old **** over and over again. He is good for nothing
>>>> but name calling and so that is all I will do with him from now on.
>>>>
>>> If that is the best you can come up with, have at it. I thought you said
>>> you were "great" and all that jazz...? But you really are just whining on
>>> Attention Avenue, aren't you?

>>
>> I am showing all your mountain biker buddies that you are even a greater
>> asshole than they suspected.

>Keyword "buddies"... They already don't like you so and I am
>inconsequential to them either way. You have about as much influence on
>their opinion of me as you would changing the orbit of the moon.


Proving that you are incapable of learning.
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On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:24:10 -0400, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> [...]
>>>> I am showing all your mountain biker buddies that you are even a greater
>>>> asshole than they suspected.
>>>
>>> Keyword "buddies"... They already don't like you so and I am
>>> inconsequential to them either way. You have about as much influence on
>>> their opinion of me as you would changing the orbit of the moon.

>>
>> You would be surprised at how fickle people can be. I assure you there are
>> probably very many mountain bikers on AMB who do not like you at all.

>...and, if even true, that effects me how....? Besides... How many are still
>riding bikes on trails because Vandy's opinions have not been accepted?
>>I consider it a badge of honor if they do not like me. I am revered on my
>>own group ARBR where I am not only a Great Saint but indeed a God!
>>

>ROFLMAO!!!! Damn... Now I need new pants...


And a new tree.
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"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "S Curtiss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:31Uog.26048$FR1.17635@dukeread05...
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>>> I am showing all your mountain biker buddies that you are even a
>>>>> greater asshole than they suspected.
>>>>
>>>> Keyword "buddies"... They already don't like you so and I am
>>>> inconsequential to them either way. You have about as much
>>>> influence on their opinion of me as you would changing the orbit of
>>>> the moon.
>>>
>>> You would be surprised at how fickle people can be. I assure you
>>> there are probably very many mountain bikers on AMB who do not like
>>> you at all.

>> ...and, if even true, that effects me how....? Besides... How many
>> are still riding bikes on trails because Vandy's opinions have not
>> been accepted?
>>>I consider it a badge of honor if they do not like me. I am revered
>>>on my own group ARBR where I am not only a Great Saint but indeed a
>>>God!
>>>

>> ROFLMAO!!!! Damn... Now I need new pants...

>
> You also need something for your head as you are basically a **** head
> which you prove every time you post.
>


Name calling? Is that the best you can do? Simply pathetic.

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Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 27 Jun 2006 12:00:49 GMT, Chris Foster
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some cross posting will involve a half dozen newsgroups. This is
>>>>> almost always wrong. However, there can be some cross posting to
>>>>> one or two other newsgroups from time to time. For instance, these
>>>>> threads on mountain biking on hiking trails seem to belong to AMB
>>>>> and RBS, but not to ARBR and RBM. What is there about this that
>>>>> you do not understand?
>>>>
>>>> You are a hypocrite, you and Vandy are the ones cross posting.
>>>> Then you tell everyone to not cross post. I understand very
>>>> clearly. I also understand very clearly that you are a hypocrite.
>>>
>>> What you don't understand is an explanation. How the hell did you
>>> ever get through Graduate School? See the above message and read it
>>> at least ten times or however many it takes for it to sink into that
>>> addled brain of yours.
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>>Who did the cross posting fool ??? It was either you or Vandy. What
>>dont you undestand about that???
>>
>>It wasnt Curtiss or I, What dont you undestand about that???
>>
>>Since you created the infraction,

>
> What is the "infraction"?


cross posting

>
> then later scolded others for the exact
>>infraction that you commited, you are a hypocrite. What dont you
>>undestand about that???
>>
>>
>>I know you are a little slow, but try to keep up.

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> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
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>
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>



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