Re: "Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation, including hiking."



On 05 Jul 2006 13:54:42 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> [...]
>>> P.S. When are (you and Mike V.) going to stop shmelessly fawning
>>> over one another in public. You two resemble a couple of closet
>>> queens in heat.

>>
>> Here is Jimbo trying to be both nasty and witty.

>
>He succeeded, that was hilarious! Thanks Jimmy


You would like that. It's right on your level: the crotch.

>However, anyone but
>> me notice how he continually falls flat in both of those aspects. I
>> think it is because he is so in earnest all the time - like a teenager
>> kid. Poor Jimbo does not ever have a clue about anything. A very sad
>> case, indeed!

>
>
>It is you sir, Mr Edward Dolan who doesn't have a clue.

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On 05 Jul 2006 13:59:47 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>>
>>>P.S. When are (you and Mike V.) going to stop shmelessly fawning over
>>>one another in public. You two resemble a couple of closet queens in
>>>heat.

>>
>> Yawn.
>>

>
>
>Once again, Vandy is opening wide to receive Ed. Hope you enjoy it Ed.


Once again, Chris Foster reveals his primary interest in life: other
people's sex life.
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On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:59:54 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Chris Foster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>P.S. When are (you and Mike V.) going to stop shmelessly fawning over
>>>>one another in public. You two resemble a couple of closet queens in
>>>>heat.
>>>
>>> Yawn.
>>>

>>
>>
>> Once again, Vandy is opening wide to receive Ed. Hope you enjoy it Ed.

>
>Are you sure you want to be indentified with Jimbo? He is a pathetic figure
>who at least had the guts to do battle with Ed Gin, the most notorious
>criminal vandal troll ever to infect ARBR. Everyone felt sorry for him
>because Ed Gin was such a scoundrel, but Jimbo does not know how to relate
>to anyone who is not a scoundrel. Hang in there Foster as I think you will
>soon qualify yourself. Just keep telling Jimbo that he is great and you will
>be OK, but the minute you tell him that he is not great, he will whine and
>carry on like a school girl. You have been warned!
>
>The one thing you both have going for you is that you are a couple of
>half-wits who are incapable of a good rejoinder, something that Vandeman and
>I do all the time on a regular basis. Jimbo and Foster, half-witted sexual
>innuendoes - yea, that is as good as it is ever going to get with them!
>Once a jarhead, always a jarhead apparently!
>
>By the way, I now believe you are lying about your Ph.D. in electrical
>engineering. There is just no way anyone as stupid as you could possibly
>have any higher degrees.


Yes. Good catch.

Even Curtiss is occasionally able to say something
>that indicates he has some intelligence, but not you. I doubt you even have
>a high school diploma?
>
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>

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"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Chris Foster wrote:

>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>>>> I do not give a damn about impact on trails, but I do give a damn
>>>> about conflicts of interests. Mountain bikers are slobs and hikers
>>>> are highly evolved spiritual beings who do not even belong in the
>>>> same universe as mountain bikers. What the hell else do you ever
>>>> need to know?
>>>
>>> I am a hiker and a back packer Eddy, what to change you mind again,
>>> and again and again and again and again and again and again and
>>> again and again and again and again and again and again and again
>>> and again and again.

>>
>> Hmm, after Dolan's response, it seems clear that he's simply been
>> trolling. I think that he posts just to make MV look bad.

>
> Foster is a total idiot. It does not matter to me what he does in real
> life. On these newsgroups, he defends mountain biking on hiking
> trails. That is all I ever have to know about him.
>
> If anyone is trolling on these newsgroups, it is Curtiss and Foster.
> We all know where the hell they stand on the issues. They never post
> anything new or worthwhile whereas Mr. Vandeman does post such new and
> worthwhile information all the time. SMS needs to step back and take a
> closer look at who is doing what.
>
>

I thought you were leaving RBS, dont let the door......

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"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "Chris Foster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>P.S. When are (you and Mike V.) going to stop shmelessly fawning
>>>>over one another in public. You two resemble a couple of closet
>>>>queens in heat.
>>>
>>> Yawn.
>>>

>>
>>
>> Once again, Vandy is opening wide to receive Ed. Hope you enjoy it
>> Ed.

>
> Are you sure you want to be indentified with Jimbo? He is a pathetic
> figure who at least had the guts to do battle with Ed Gin, the most
> notorious criminal vandal troll ever to infect ARBR. Everyone felt
> sorry for him because Ed Gin was such a scoundrel, but Jimbo does not
> know how to relate to anyone who is not a scoundrel. Hang in there
> Foster as I think you will soon qualify yourself. Just keep telling
> Jimbo that he is great and you will be OK, but the minute you tell him
> that he is not great, he will whine and carry on like a school girl.
> You have been warned!
>
> The one thing you both have going for you is that you are a couple of
> half-wits who are incapable of a good rejoinder, something that
> Vandeman and I do all the time on a regular basis. Jimbo and Foster,
> half-witted sexual innuendoes - yea, that is as good as it is ever
> going to get with them! Once a jarhead, always a jarhead apparently!
>
> By the way, I now believe you are lying about your Ph.D. in electrical
> engineering. There is just no way anyone as stupid as you could
> possibly have any higher degrees. Even Curtiss is occasionally able to
> say something that indicates he has some intelligence, but not you. I
> doubt you even have a high school diploma?




I thought you were leaving RBS. Dont let the door hit .......

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Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:59:54 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Chris Foster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>P.S. When are (you and Mike V.) going to stop shmelessly fawning
>>>>>over one another in public. You two resemble a couple of closet
>>>>>queens in heat.
>>>>
>>>> Yawn.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Once again, Vandy is opening wide to receive Ed. Hope you enjoy it
>>> Ed.

>>
>>Are you sure you want to be indentified with Jimbo? He is a pathetic
>>figure who at least had the guts to do battle with Ed Gin, the most
>>notorious criminal vandal troll ever to infect ARBR. Everyone felt
>>sorry for him because Ed Gin was such a scoundrel, but Jimbo does not
>>know how to relate to anyone who is not a scoundrel. Hang in there
>>Foster as I think you will soon qualify yourself. Just keep telling
>>Jimbo that he is great and you will be OK, but the minute you tell him
>>that he is not great, he will whine and carry on like a school girl.
>>You have been warned!
>>
>>The one thing you both have going for you is that you are a couple of
>>half-wits who are incapable of a good rejoinder, something that
>>Vandeman and I do all the time on a regular basis. Jimbo and Foster,
>>half-witted sexual innuendoes - yea, that is as good as it is ever
>>going to get with them! Once a jarhead, always a jarhead apparently!
>>
>>By the way, I now believe you are lying about your Ph.D. in electrical
>>engineering. There is just no way anyone as stupid as you could
>>possibly have any higher degrees.

>
> Yes. Good catch.
>




Did you say something? Yawn.

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"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "Chris Foster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> [...]
>> Vandy is the one doing the cross posting. If you want to bich about
>> 'containing' the thread, you need to take it up with your idol, Vandy

>
> Mr. Vandeman has his groups that he regularly posts to. I added to
> those groups, not him. I added ARBR and RBM because I wanted to
> enliven those groups with new members, but instead all we got was this
> monomaniacal posting on mountain biking on hiking trails The subject
> interests me somewhat, but it does not interest any others on the new
> groups that I added. Who knew that all the old groups were just into
> this single subject with a few posters to it like you, Curtiss and
> Vandeman?
>
> I am not a one note Johnny and I do not want one note Johnnies on ARBR
> and RBM. I wish RBS could be better than it is, but it will need new
> members for it to ever improve. I feel that most of what is posted on
> this subject should only be on AMB. It surely does not need to be on
> RBS as much as it is.
>
> I believe I will shortly be leaving RBS for good as I require a larger
> universe of members to tweak. You and Curtiss are not worth my time
> and effort any longer. I will only look in on RBS to see what Mr.
> Vandeman is posting. The one newsgroup I can always be found on is
> ARBR although I occasionally go slumming on other groups.
>



So leave already. Everybody is tired of your ****

What branch of the service were you in anyway, Girl Scouts??



BTW, you may look it of you can figure out how.

University of Illinois, PhD Electrical Engineering, 1987.


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Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 05 Jul 2006 13:59:47 GMT, Chris Foster
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>P.S. When are (you and Mike V.) going to stop shmelessly fawning over
>>>>one another in public. You two resemble a couple of closet queens in
>>>>heat.
>>>
>>> Yawn.
>>>

>>
>>
>>Once again, Vandy is opening wide to receive Ed. Hope you enjoy it Ed.

>
> Once again, Chris Foster reveals his primary interest in life: other
> people's sex life.


Ouch, now that hurt.

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On 07 Jul 2006 11:58:57 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 05 Jul 2006 13:59:47 GMT, Chris Foster
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>P.S. When are (you and Mike V.) going to stop shmelessly fawning over
>>>>>one another in public. You two resemble a couple of closet queens in
>>>>>heat.
>>>>
>>>> Yawn.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Once again, Vandy is opening wide to receive Ed. Hope you enjoy it Ed.

>>
>> Once again, Chris Foster reveals his primary interest in life: other
>> people's sex life.

>
>Ouch, now that hurt.


It's the truth.
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Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 07 Jul 2006 11:58:57 GMT, Chris Foster
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 05 Jul 2006 13:59:47 GMT, Chris Foster
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>P.S. When are (you and Mike V.) going to stop shmelessly fawning
>>>>>>over one another in public. You two resemble a couple of closet
>>>>>>queens in heat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yawn.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Once again, Vandy is opening wide to receive Ed. Hope you enjoy it
>>>>Ed.
>>>
>>> Once again, Chris Foster reveals his primary interest in life: other
>>> people's sex life.

>>
>>Ouch, now that hurt.

>
> It's the truth.


Ouch, Now that was very painful. Yawn

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"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "Chris Foster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>P.S. When are (you and Mike V.) going to stop shmelessly fawning
>>>>over one another in public. You two resemble a couple of closet
>>>>queens in heat.
>>>
>>> Yawn.
>>>

>>
>>
>> Once again, Vandy is opening wide to receive Ed. Hope you enjoy it
>> Ed.

>
> Are you sure you want to be indentified with Jimbo? He is a pathetic
> figure who at least had the guts to do battle with Ed Gin, the most
> notorious criminal vandal troll ever to infect ARBR. Everyone felt
> sorry for him because Ed Gin was such a scoundrel, but Jimbo does not
> know how to relate to anyone who is not a scoundrel. Hang in there
> Foster as I think you will soon qualify yourself. Just keep telling
> Jimbo that he is great and you will be OK, but the minute you tell him
> that he is not great, he will whine and carry on like a school girl.
> You have been warned!
>
> The one thing you both have going for you is that you are a couple of
> half-wits who are incapable of a good rejoinder, something that
> Vandeman and I do all the time on a regular basis. Jimbo and Foster,
> half-witted sexual innuendoes - yea, that is as good as it is ever
> going to get with them! Once a jarhead, always a jarhead apparently!
>
> By the way, I now believe you are lying about your Ph.D. in electrical
> engineering. There is just no way anyone as stupid as you could
> possibly have any higher degrees. Even Curtiss is occasionally able to
> say something that indicates he has some intelligence, but not you. I
> doubt you even have a high school diploma?
>



I thought you were leaving to never return? What happend Conan?

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Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 07 Jul 2006 11:58:57 GMT, Chris Foster
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 05 Jul 2006 13:59:47 GMT, Chris Foster
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>P.S. When are (you and Mike V.) going to stop shmelessly fawning
>>>>>>over one another in public. You two resemble a couple of closet
>>>>>>queens in heat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yawn.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Once again, Vandy is opening wide to receive Ed. Hope you enjoy it
>>>>Ed.
>>>
>>> Once again, Chris Foster reveals his primary interest in life: other
>>> people's sex life.

>>
>>Ouch, now that hurt.

>
> It's the truth.


You are so mean to me Mikey.

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> I am going to defend Mr. Vandeman as best I can since all I see is a
> lot of numskull mountain bikers ganging up on him. My God, just
> because you are a mountain biker does not mean you have to be
> brainless.
>
> Unless you have a Ph.D., you are not really qualified to do research
> because you have not been trained to do it. Like most, you are
> confusing search with research. Those of us with higher educations
> know the difference.
>


Thanks Conan,
I went back and found this little jewel. What are your credentials
again?
Chris Foster
PhD Electrical Engineering
University of Illinois 1987


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On 07 Jul 2006 18:41:18 GMT, Chris Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> I am going to defend Mr. Vandeman as best I can since all I see is a
>> lot of numskull mountain bikers ganging up on him. My God, just
>> because you are a mountain biker does not mean you have to be
>> brainless.
>>
>> Unless you have a Ph.D., you are not really qualified to do research
>> because you have not been trained to do it. Like most, you are
>> confusing search with research. Those of us with higher educations
>> know the difference.
>>

>
>Thanks Conan,
> I went back and found this little jewel. What are your credentials
>again?


The ability to tell the truth -- something you never took in school.

> Chris Foster
> PhD Electrical Engineering
> University of Illinois 1987

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"Chris Foster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[...]
> I thought you were leaving RBS. Dont let the door hit .......


I am pretty much leaving as far as you and Curtiss are concerned as I have
now got you both down as a couple of idiots. However, I will stick around
for some few others and of course I will always want to read Mr. Vandeman's
messages to RBS, no matter how brief and to the point they are. He has both
wit and intelligence and you have neither - oh foul mouth, sex obsessed
ex-Marine!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On 07 Jul 2006 18:41:18 GMT, Chris Foster
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> I am going to defend Mr. Vandeman as best I can since all I see is a
>>> lot of numskull mountain bikers ganging up on him. My God, just
>>> because you are a mountain biker does not mean you have to be
>>> brainless.
>>>
>>> Unless you have a Ph.D., you are not really qualified to do research
>>> because you have not been trained to do it. Like most, you are
>>> confusing search with research. Those of us with higher educations
>>> know the difference.
>>>

>> Thanks Conan,
>> I went back and found this little jewel. What are your credentials
>> again?

>
> The ability to tell the truth -- something you never took in school.
>
>> Chris Foster
>> PhD Electrical Engineering
>> University of Illinois 1987

> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande


Let Vandeman fade out please. I don't have a Ph.D. in bicycling but I
know that if I ride conservatively and don't tear up the trail like some
sugar hyped teenager I am actually doing 'LESS' damage than a hiker
dragging his feet.
FWIW, high I.Q. and no Ph.D. trumps Ph.D. and Forrest Gump I.Q., period.
Bill Baka, not impressed by a piece of paper.

P.S. I did go to college, but in a different field.
 
On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:04:30 GMT, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On 07 Jul 2006 18:41:18 GMT, Chris Foster
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> I am going to defend Mr. Vandeman as best I can since all I see is a
>>>> lot of numskull mountain bikers ganging up on him. My God, just
>>>> because you are a mountain biker does not mean you have to be
>>>> brainless.
>>>>
>>>> Unless you have a Ph.D., you are not really qualified to do research
>>>> because you have not been trained to do it. Like most, you are
>>>> confusing search with research. Those of us with higher educations
>>>> know the difference.
>>>>
>>> Thanks Conan,
>>> I went back and found this little jewel. What are your credentials
>>> again?

>>
>> The ability to tell the truth -- something you never took in school.
>>
>>> Chris Foster
>>> PhD Electrical Engineering
>>> University of Illinois 1987

>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

>
>Let Vandeman fade out please. I don't have a Ph.D. in bicycling but I
>know that if I ride conservatively and don't tear up the trail like some
> sugar hyped teenager I am actually doing 'LESS' damage than a hiker
>dragging his feet.


Hikers don't drag their feet. DUH!

>FWIW, high I.Q. and no Ph.D. trumps Ph.D. and Forrest Gump I.Q., period.
>Bill Baka, not impressed by a piece of paper.
>
>P.S. I did go to college, but in a different field.

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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:04:30 GMT, Bill <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> Let Vandeman fade out please. I don't have a Ph.D. in bicycling but I
>> know that if I ride conservatively and don't tear up the trail like some
>> sugar hyped teenager I am actually doing 'LESS' damage than a hiker
>> dragging his feet.

>
> Hikers don't drag their feet. DUH!


I have done a lot of hiking and have seen families with over active kids
kicking up everything in sight or throwing it. That is more the point of
what I meant.
Do you want 'adults only' trails? Even with adults I have seen them
start out with a six pack of beer for 'hydration' and return with no
cans packed out. It seems like you are selectively "Choosing your poison.".
Bill Baka
>
>> FWIW, high I.Q. and no Ph.D. trumps Ph.D. and Forrest Gump I.Q., period.
>> Bill Baka, not impressed by a piece of paper.
>>
>> P.S. I did go to college, but in a different field.
 
Bill wrote:

> Let Vandeman fade out please. I don't have a Ph.D. in bicycling but I
> know that if I ride conservatively and don't tear up the trail like some
> sugar hyped teenager I am actually doing 'LESS' damage than a hiker
> dragging his feet.
> FWIW, high I.Q. and no Ph.D. trumps Ph.D. and Forrest Gump I.Q., period.


LOL, we had one guy at work who had a Ph.D. and insisted that everyone
address him as Dr. XXXXX. I remember at a company picnic in Santa Cruz,
the CEO made an announcement, Dr. XXXXX will be organizing a volleyball
game after lunch. The license plate on his car was "Dr. XXXXX."

He was the most clueless employee at the company. We would all cringe
when he would speak to customers, as he would promise them things that
we all knew were totally impossible. I remember one instance where one
of the most experienced employees was running down the hall screaming at
him, "you're an idiot." We all wanted to cheer, but it would have been
frowned upon.

After a while, we all started calling each other Dr. whatever, and one
day he heard the receptionist address me as Dr. Scharf. He asked if I
had a doctorate, and I convinced him that I was a rabbi with a Doctor of
Divinity degree, but that I had decided to be an engineer instead, and
had an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering (that part is true).

Outside of work, he wasn't a bad guy, he was just really convinced that
his doctoral degree was something that everyone cared about.
 
SMS wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>
>> Let Vandeman fade out please. I don't have a Ph.D. in bicycling but I
>> know that if I ride conservatively and don't tear up the trail like
>> some sugar hyped teenager I am actually doing 'LESS' damage than a
>> hiker dragging his feet.
>> FWIW, high I.Q. and no Ph.D. trumps Ph.D. and Forrest Gump I.Q., period.

>
> LOL, we had one guy at work who had a Ph.D. and insisted that everyone
> address him as Dr. XXXXX. I remember at a company picnic in Santa Cruz,
> the CEO made an announcement, Dr. XXXXX will be organizing a volleyball
> game after lunch. The license plate on his car was "Dr. XXXXX."


I had one of those but I outranked him in the company food chain, so I
just yelled "Hey college brat." or something else at him to get him to
listen up. He turned so red in the face I thought he was going to
explode but he couldn't say anything, at least not to me. I was in the
weird position of being his boss / mentor, since he was so clueless out
of a classroom.
>
> He was the most clueless employee at the company. We would all cringe
> when he would speak to customers, as he would promise them things that
> we all knew were totally impossible. I remember one instance where one
> of the most experienced employees was running down the hall screaming at
> him, "you're an idiot." We all wanted to cheer, but it would have been
> frowned upon.


I worked at one company that hired a Ph.D., with a very well known last
name, son of a company founder, just so they could trot him out with his
Ph.D. and call him the 'company scientist'. It was a joke but he was at
least a nice guy and just went by his first name so we all got along.
>
> After a while, we all started calling each other Dr. whatever, and one
> day he heard the receptionist address me as Dr. Scharf. He asked if I
> had a doctorate, and I convinced him that I was a rabbi with a Doctor of
> Divinity degree, but that I had decided to be an engineer instead, and
> had an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering (that part is true).


Good one.
>
> Outside of work, he wasn't a bad guy, he was just really convinced that
> his doctoral degree was something that everyone cared about.


Sort of the same with my guy "Company brat.". He even joined us for
pizza and beer after work a few times. Some of the other engineers were
in Mensa but he wasn't, so that may have humbled him after work.

Now for one downer, but true story.
I was one of the engineers who had to deal with the semiconductor clean
room test equipment back around 1986-1987 at a company, still around,
called Supertex. The manager's name was William Mansera and if someone
called him Bill he just totally blew up and yelled "My name is William,
and you will call me that.". We never did, just to irritate him.
Apparently it worked too well because one night he went home and shot
his wife and 2 children and then blew his own brains out.
He lived down in Morgan hill but the story made big news all the way up
to Sunnyvale, where he worked.
Him we didn't miss, but we all felt bad about his wife and kids.
"Hi honey, I'm home"....Blam.
After that every time something went wrong it was blamed on his ghost.

Some people just need to lighten up, and I think we have a few more than
just the obvious Dolan.
Life is too short.
Ride, breathe, enjoy the pain in your legs, it lets you know you're alive.
Bill Baka