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"Westie" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> "B. Sanders" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:tGeqa.343288$OV.370895@rwcrnsc54...
> > "Westie" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "bomba" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > > > Stephen Baker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>The male riders I know are all about showing off and being hardcore. They love to brag
> > > > >>about how extreme they are, and
haven't
> a
> > > shred
> > > > >>of respect for anybody who shys away from the most difficult
trails.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That sounds like a dictionary definition of "A$$hole". The ones
> that
> > > make the
> > > > > most noise are prob-babbly the biggest Barneys of the bunch. Drop 'em, do what you want to
> > > > > do, and don't look back.
> > > >
> > > > If that's the way things truly are then I agree, but I think it may
> well
> > > > be different and our friend here has gossamer-like skin.
> >
> > Meaning what, exactly?
> >
> > > > Firstly, if they're your mates, then you should realise that they're going to give you stick
> > > > if you don't ride stuff. Friends often have
a
> > > > better idea of your strengths anyway, and banter amongst friends is
> par
> > > > for the course. Friends egging on each other is a very good way of progressing too, and
> > > > people are often surprised by their own
> abilities.
> >
> > I agree. Respectful banter can be good. Teaching skills to your friends
> is
> > even better (much better). Maybe if I was 19 instead of 41, I'd have
more
> > tolerance for that kind of pushiness. Maybe I'd have more of an invincibility syndrome that
> > would allow me to "go for it." Things
change
> as
> > you age. (Anybody here over 30?)
> >
> > > > Quite frankly, having someone of a similar ability who complained
> that
> > > > "it's too hard" every time we got to a technical bit of trail would
> get
> > > > right on my tits.
> >
> > Ok, fair enough. Why do you ride with other people if they get on your nerves?
> >
> > > > I think it's a good idea that people are aware of their limits, but
> what
> > > > about people who don't even get close to their limits and then
> complain
> > > > about their friends encouraging them?
> >
> > What about them? They like companionship; but don't like to be pushed.
> Is
> > that wrong? It's difficult to find male friends who aren't pushy and competitive, often to
> > recklessness. That's exactly what I'm trying to
> say.
> >
> > > I had a mate like that when we were in our early twenties. Had bought himself a Honda CBR600
> > > and wouldn't even go near the red line on the
rev
> > > counter. "Didn't like hearing the engine" is what he said. He might
as
> > > well have bought himself a nifty fifty for all he ever did with it.
> >
> > That's his choice, and you should respect that.
> >
>
> And while I never really understood it, Yes, I did respect it. You will notice that later in the
> post I mention that we always had to
wait
> for him, but not once did we not invite him because of that...
>
>
> > > It was almost embarrassing in some funny way, because he was cabable of
riding
> it
> > > better (he used to ride his Suzuki GN250 harder). We were always
> waiting
> > > for him to catch up. A waste of a bike in some other ways... I still
> > can't
> > > figure out what the problem was even now.
> >
> > And so for you, life is a race, is that right? If you're not racing,
then
> > you're not having fun? "Pushing it harder" isn't the ultimate life goal
> for
> > many people (even though that ethos is very popular nowadays, according
to
> > the media.)
> >
>
> I don't particularly push the boundaries on my bike/s either - be they
motor
> or mountain bikes - never have. Life a race? I don't consider myself highly competitive and
> never have.
But
> having said that, if my friends didn't push me sometimes, and if I didn't push myself, then I
> might as well just pack up and go home because mountainbiking is just _too_ hard for lil' ol' me.
>
> I'll give a friend a push and a ribbing if needed ( isn't that one of the things friends are for?)
> but I would never push someone beyond their skill level just to prove something. And if they don't
> appreciate the pushing after a couple of times, you, as a friend, learn to lay off it. One should,
> equally, be able to take some pushing. There are levels of abuse and I'm not sure that your
> friends are being insensitive. You shouldn't be surprised if your friends push you to take risks.
> It's a risky sport. Just getting on a bike is dangerous for some (when was the last time you fell
> off on the way home from the Pub, Shaun?). Likewise,
if
> you're a boxer don't complain if people are surprised when you refuse to take _any_ punches. Tell
> your friends to lay off and leave you to ride the way you want to.
You
> can always go for help when they break their necks.
> --
> Westie
>
>
> > You and I are from different planets. I respect your views and skills;
but
> > do not share them.
I was wrong, Westie. Maybe we're from the same planet after all. Thanks for the valuable
perspective. Hope we can ride together sometime.
-Barry
>
> "B. Sanders" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:tGeqa.343288$OV.370895@rwcrnsc54...
> > "Westie" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "bomba" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > > > Stephen Baker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>The male riders I know are all about showing off and being hardcore. They love to brag
> > > > >>about how extreme they are, and
haven't
> a
> > > shred
> > > > >>of respect for anybody who shys away from the most difficult
trails.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That sounds like a dictionary definition of "A$$hole". The ones
> that
> > > make the
> > > > > most noise are prob-babbly the biggest Barneys of the bunch. Drop 'em, do what you want to
> > > > > do, and don't look back.
> > > >
> > > > If that's the way things truly are then I agree, but I think it may
> well
> > > > be different and our friend here has gossamer-like skin.
> >
> > Meaning what, exactly?
> >
> > > > Firstly, if they're your mates, then you should realise that they're going to give you stick
> > > > if you don't ride stuff. Friends often have
a
> > > > better idea of your strengths anyway, and banter amongst friends is
> par
> > > > for the course. Friends egging on each other is a very good way of progressing too, and
> > > > people are often surprised by their own
> abilities.
> >
> > I agree. Respectful banter can be good. Teaching skills to your friends
> is
> > even better (much better). Maybe if I was 19 instead of 41, I'd have
more
> > tolerance for that kind of pushiness. Maybe I'd have more of an invincibility syndrome that
> > would allow me to "go for it." Things
change
> as
> > you age. (Anybody here over 30?)
> >
> > > > Quite frankly, having someone of a similar ability who complained
> that
> > > > "it's too hard" every time we got to a technical bit of trail would
> get
> > > > right on my tits.
> >
> > Ok, fair enough. Why do you ride with other people if they get on your nerves?
> >
> > > > I think it's a good idea that people are aware of their limits, but
> what
> > > > about people who don't even get close to their limits and then
> complain
> > > > about their friends encouraging them?
> >
> > What about them? They like companionship; but don't like to be pushed.
> Is
> > that wrong? It's difficult to find male friends who aren't pushy and competitive, often to
> > recklessness. That's exactly what I'm trying to
> say.
> >
> > > I had a mate like that when we were in our early twenties. Had bought himself a Honda CBR600
> > > and wouldn't even go near the red line on the
rev
> > > counter. "Didn't like hearing the engine" is what he said. He might
as
> > > well have bought himself a nifty fifty for all he ever did with it.
> >
> > That's his choice, and you should respect that.
> >
>
> And while I never really understood it, Yes, I did respect it. You will notice that later in the
> post I mention that we always had to
wait
> for him, but not once did we not invite him because of that...
>
>
> > > It was almost embarrassing in some funny way, because he was cabable of
riding
> it
> > > better (he used to ride his Suzuki GN250 harder). We were always
> waiting
> > > for him to catch up. A waste of a bike in some other ways... I still
> > can't
> > > figure out what the problem was even now.
> >
> > And so for you, life is a race, is that right? If you're not racing,
then
> > you're not having fun? "Pushing it harder" isn't the ultimate life goal
> for
> > many people (even though that ethos is very popular nowadays, according
to
> > the media.)
> >
>
> I don't particularly push the boundaries on my bike/s either - be they
motor
> or mountain bikes - never have. Life a race? I don't consider myself highly competitive and
> never have.
But
> having said that, if my friends didn't push me sometimes, and if I didn't push myself, then I
> might as well just pack up and go home because mountainbiking is just _too_ hard for lil' ol' me.
>
> I'll give a friend a push and a ribbing if needed ( isn't that one of the things friends are for?)
> but I would never push someone beyond their skill level just to prove something. And if they don't
> appreciate the pushing after a couple of times, you, as a friend, learn to lay off it. One should,
> equally, be able to take some pushing. There are levels of abuse and I'm not sure that your
> friends are being insensitive. You shouldn't be surprised if your friends push you to take risks.
> It's a risky sport. Just getting on a bike is dangerous for some (when was the last time you fell
> off on the way home from the Pub, Shaun?). Likewise,
if
> you're a boxer don't complain if people are surprised when you refuse to take _any_ punches. Tell
> your friends to lay off and leave you to ride the way you want to.
You
> can always go for help when they break their necks.
> --
> Westie
>
>
> > You and I are from different planets. I respect your views and skills;
but
> > do not share them.
I was wrong, Westie. Maybe we're from the same planet after all. Thanks for the valuable
perspective. Hope we can ride together sometime.
-Barry