What percentage of a cholesterol decrease can be attributed to statins ?

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:07:55 -0500, "Julianne" <[email hidden]>

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but, I am
a really good cook and I enjoy eating.

Careful. Remember the story of ole Troll Cheffie Pastorio. Cooked and
ate himself into a quad bypass.

Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:47:11 -0400, Bob Pastorio <[email hidden]>

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Strikingly similar...

You don't learn very quickly so, like a child, I repeat for the
umpteenth time, TROLL, ....

Until you answer the questions regarding your quad bypass, your
smoking, your obesity and why, with all the information known to you,
by your own admission, you nearly killed yourself with a lousy diet,
gluttony, excesses and no exercise, you can keep your hands off your
keyboard and in your pants.

It will be the only thing you will have left to play with, Cheffie.
I'm no longer interested in your pitiful TROLLING and useless
demagoguery

Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Paul E. Lehmann said:

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Atkins refused to participate in any data collections and any studies
of his patient population.

Care to cite references?

Care to tell me how in the world could I do so when Atkins is the one
who failed to participate in any studies?

Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Paul E. Lehmann said:

Where is the evidence for or against your TPD?

Sitting with the hundreds of people, many who have given their
testimonials right here on SMC.

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Has the medical community
accepted and endorsed it?

What?

http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp

Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Jim Chinnis said:

No matter how much faith you have that a low carbohydrate diet fails in the
long term, and no matter how often you claim this has been established in
published studies, the latter is not the case.

Believe any untruth you want. It's your Usenet.

Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

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Jim Chinnis said:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

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> "CONCLUSIONS: There is insufficient evidence to make recommendations for or
> against the use of low-carbohydrate diets, particularly among participants
> older than age 50 years, for use longer than 90 days, or for diets of 20 g/d
> or less of carbohydrates."
>
> NOTE: the conclusions state OR AGAINST .......
>

Ok, one neutral in a sea of negatives. No positives.

No matter how much faith you have that a low carbohydrate diet fails in the
long term, and no matter how often you claim this has been established in
published studies, the latter is not the case.

However, the former is the case. I see patients that have failed LC dieting all
the time, so I do *know* firsthand.

Not all LC dieting is the same. And what doctors (and all of us) "know"
firsthand often turns out to be wrong when a careful study is finally done.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

Jim Chinnis said:

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

> "CONCLUSIONS: There is insufficient evidence to make recommendations for or
> against the use of low-carbohydrate diets, particularly among participants
> older than age 50 years, for use longer than 90 days, or for diets of 20 g/d
> or less of carbohydrates."
>
> NOTE: the conclusions state OR AGAINST .......
>

Ok, one neutral in a sea of negatives. No positives.

No matter how much faith you have that a low carbohydrate diet fails in the
long term, and no matter how often you claim this has been established in
published studies, the latter is not the case.

However, the former is the case. I see patients that have failed LC dieting all
the time, so I do *know* firsthand.

Actually, my use of the word, "latter" referred to your claim that "this has
been established in published studies." Your firsthand "knowing" doesn't make
the cut.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

Blue Mu_n <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

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Jim Chinnis said:

No matter how much faith you have that a low carbohydrate diet fails in the
long term, and no matter how often you claim this has been established in
published studies, the latter is not the case.

Believe any untruth you want. It's your Usenet.

The truth I believe is that no long-term controlled study of low-carb diets
has been published. I remain an agnostic as to how much carb is best in the
diet.

Others here--most notably Dr. Chung--have disagreed.

No one has cited a long-term controlled study of low-carb diets, however.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

MD/PhD said:

Is there documentation that Dr. Atkins refused on the grounds of patient
privacy?

Nope, he has expressly said he did not want to "subject" his patients
but never said, nor could he, that his patients refused to do so.

Atkins was around for decades. His record is clear. He was
uninterested in proving his study scientifically and uninterested in
using his ow life and death as a testament to it.

Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Paul E. Lehmann said:

How many fail on other diets?

Most everyone except we have seen a remarkable amount of people
successful on the 2PDiet. which makes it the glowing exception to the
commercial diet rule.

Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 12:33:48 -0700, Owen Lowe <[email hidden]>

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LC - it's not just for weight loss anymore.

Correct, it's good for those who live in a fairyland where bacon, eggs
and steak are oh so good for them.

Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Blue Mu_n <[email hidden]> wrote in part:

Quoted message said:

Paul E. Lehmann said:

How many fail on other diets?

Most everyone except we have seen a remarkable amount of people
successful on the 2PDiet. which makes it the glowing exception to the
commercial diet rule.

Sounds positively identical to every commercial diet. (At least until a good
controlled study is done.)
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

Jim Chinnis said:

Quoted message said:

Most everyone except we have seen a remarkable amount of people
successful on the 2PDiet. which makes it the glowing exception to the
commercial diet rule.

Sounds positively identical to every commercial diet.

What?

Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Jim Chinnis said:

The truth I believe is that no long-term controlled study of low-carb diets
has been published. I remain an agnostic as to how much carb is best in the
diet.

Others here--most notably Dr. Chung--have disagreed.

No one has cited a long-term controlled study of low-carb diets, however.

Then what do we have as the next best solution?

How's this one. Listen to a cardiologist who deal with the ill effects
of low carb on a daily basis.

No good?

Your turn.

Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

Blue Mu_n said:

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:07:55 -0500, "Julianne" <[email hidden]>

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but, I am
a really good cook and I enjoy eating.

Careful. Remember the story of ole Troll Cheffie Pastorio. Cooked and
ate himself into a quad bypass.

You know, for a [censored], you sure are a [censored].

It was actually a triple, but I thought it would make your life more
interesting if you believed it were larger than it was. Just trying to
help you along with your obsessions.

As soon as you show even the tiniest scintilla of honesty, maybe we
can actually talk about stuff. I'll wait...

Pastorio

Blue Mu_n said:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 16:47:11 -0400, Bob Pastorio <[email hidden]>

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Strikingly similar...

You don't learn very quickly so, like a child, I repeat for the
umpteenth time, TROLL, ....

Oh, I learned about you very quickly. You're a coward, a fraud, a
troll and a spammer. You're a liar and you're a sociopath.

I note you deleted the crux of the post wherein you complained that
Atkins didn't offer any information about his patients and I said it
was just like the proponents of the 2PoundPOWDiet you're so proud of.
So when are you going ot offer anything more than just your blustery
swaggering to support the unsupportable. Ooops. I just answered my
own question.

And, yes, like a child you repeat...

Pastorio

Blue Mu_n said:

Paul E. Lehmann said:

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Atkins refused to participate in any data collections and any studies
of his patient population.

Care to cite references?

Care to tell me how in the world could I do so when Atkins is the one
who failed to participate in any studies?

Sure. Since you're too [censored] to actually think about it. See, it
wouldn't be Atkins that anyone with an IQ greater than a grapefruit
would look to for this. It would be anyone who asked him to
participate. See how that works? No, I didn't think so.

So how come you had to go to several cardiologists to find out you
were fat? Why couldn't you look in the mirror? Oh, Probably the sake
reason why you couldn't figure out the hard question up top.

Pastorio

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Yes, it's for raising LDL cholesterol.

Yes, but it appears to raise HDL even more as well as significantly
reduce TriG's.

In article <[email hidden]>,

M. Schwartz said:

I buy my produce and poultry at a local health food store. I eat wild
salmon, canned sardines, and canned herring.

There really is no concern about mercury in wild salmon or canned sardines
or canned herring.

Perhaps not, but there was a report that came out a couple weeks ago
about elevated PCB levels in lakes frequented by migrating salmon.

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Nutritional steak?

If'n you hadn't noticed, so far you're the only one who disputed my
nutritional comparison of the Tyson steak and the Bumble Bee Albacore.

Regardless, I wish you long life on your dietary choices and
restrictions.

Owen Lowe said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

M. Schwartz said:

I buy my produce and poultry at a local health food store. I eat wild
salmon, canned sardines, and canned herring.

There really is no concern about mercury in wild salmon or canned sardines
or canned herring.

Perhaps not, but there was a report that came out a couple weeks ago
about elevated PCB levels in lakes frequented by migrating salmon.

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Quoted message said:

Nutritional steak?

If'n you hadn't noticed, so far you're the only one who disputed my
nutritional comparison of the Tyson steak and the Bumble Bee Albacore.

Regardless, I wish you long life on your dietary choices and
restrictions.

Yes, I apparently was the only one disputing your nutritional steak thing.
However, I didn't see anyone agree with you. :-)

Thanks for the well wishes. Wish I could say the same for you. :-)) No-no,
just kidding. Please accept my best wishes for your continued good health
even though you are eating steak. ;-)

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. Must be a full moon out tonight. I know
there is some kind of mu_un floating around here. >G<

Mel, the one and only - and thank ? for that...