Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters andsidewalks



OK, I finally took delivery of official vehicle of the revolution (the
trike), with plenty of space in the basket to carry bananas for the
lions.

Well, I made it alive because I rode the back alleys, gutters and
sidewalks of America, a strategy developed by our ancestors the
monkeys when they kept to the tree branches in order to survive. I
think on the road of evolution, **** Sapiens somehow lost all common
sense. Somehow the alpha-male monkeys wanted to be a lion...

It was a nice ride.

http://www.zazzle.com/donquijote1954/product/235602224199217660
 
On Apr 20, 2:41 pm, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "pyotr filipivich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:eek:[email protected]...
> [...]
>
> > Like I said, they seem to be of the opinion that not only do the
> > traffic laws not apply to them, but neither do the laws of physics.
> > Selah.
> > To quote a friend on another subject "I'm not prejudiced, I'm
> > convinced!"  And Eddy has done quite a firm job of convincing me.
> > Probably others as well.

>
> I am the foremost advocate of cyclists NOT taking the lane when there is any
> traffic at all. This thread is not about obeying traffic laws, but about
> bullying truck drivers who think cyclists have no right to be on the road.
> Unless you are cyclist yourself who has ridden the open road, you do not
> know what the hell you are talking about.
>
> By the way, do not confuse me with that total jerk ComandanteBanana aka
> donquijote1954. He is indeed nuts and not worth any attention.
> [...]


They can only be happy that we don't work together for the same thing:
cyclists' rights.

But do you have any revolution, webpage or something to show you have
some solution, or you are just a monkey with pretensions?

http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-01/circus-museum-dressed-chimp.jpg
 
On Apr 20, 4:00 am, Terryc <[email protected]> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
> > The lions control the wealth and the destiny of the jungle...

>
> Have the elephants stopped laughing yet?


I will be one laughing when the elephants slip on banana peels.
 
ComandanteBanana aka donquixote1954 wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2:41 pm, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "pyotr filipivich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:eek:[email protected]...
>> [...]
>>
>>> Like I said, they seem to be of the opinion that not only do the
>>> traffic laws not apply to them, but neither do the laws of physics.
>>> Selah.
>>> To quote a friend on another subject "I'm not prejudiced, I'm
>>> convinced!" And Eddy has done quite a firm job of convincing me.
>>> Probably others as well.

>> I am the foremost advocate of cyclists NOT taking the lane when there is any
>> traffic at all. This thread is not about obeying traffic laws, but about
>> bullying truck drivers who think cyclists have no right to be on the road.
>> Unless you are cyclist yourself who has ridden the open road, you do not
>> know what the hell you are talking about.
>>
>> By the way, do not confuse me with that total jerk ComandanteBanana aka
>> donquijote1954. He is indeed nuts and not worth any attention.
>> [...]

>
> They can only be happy that we don't work together for the same thing:
> cyclists' rights.
>
> But do you have any revolution, webpage or something to show you have
> some solution, or you are just a monkey with pretensions?
>
> http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2007-01/circus-museum-dressed-chimp.jpg


Try <http://fespn.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/mister_ed.jpg>.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
On Apr 20, 5:41 am, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Terryc <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > ComandanteBanana wrote:
> >> The lions control the wealth and the destiny of the jungle...

> > Have the elephants stopped laughing yet?

>
> Lions dont even live in jungles.


They do. They are smaller, and live in the equatorial of Africa.

> >But thats the typical arrogance of many bike riders. They simply
> >cannot stand critism for their elitist outlook or their arrogance and
> >utter stupidity.

>
>         Like I said, they seem to be of the opinion that not only do the
> traffic laws not apply to them, but neither do the laws of physics.
> Selah.
>         To quote a friend on another subject "I'm not prejudiced, I'm
> convinced!"  And Eddy has done quite a firm job of convincing me.
> Probably others as well.


You know as much about the elephants as you know about the urban
jungle. The rage is inititiated by the drivers, often against each
other....


Motorist runs over woman, crashes into Walmart

PEMBROKE PINES, Fla. (WSVN)—A woman is in critical condition after the
driver of pickup truck reportedly ran her over intentionally in a
Walmart parking lot Friday.

Police said the driver of the truck repeatedly rammed the woman’s mini-
van at the superstore along the 1800 block of Pines Boulevard. When
the victimized motorist tried to escape her vehicle, the enraged truck
driver ran over her and crashed his pickup into the retailer’s garden
center.

Authorities arrested the truck’s driver.

Paramedics trnsporte the victim to Memorial Regional Hospital.

http://www1.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI83576/
 
ComandanteBanana <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> Terryc <[email protected]> wrote
>>> ComandanteBanana wrote:


>>>> The lions control the wealth and the destiny of the jungle...


>>> Have the elephants stopped laughing yet?


>> Lions dont even live in jungles.


> They do.


Nope.

> They are smaller, and live in the equatorial of Africa.


Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
 
On Apr 19, 3:39 pm, "Jeremy Parker" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "ComandanteBanana" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:a2e438bc-8b64-405a-a0d4-b80f7745d855@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > OK, assume a far away land --a Banana Republic if you will-- where
> > the
> > cyclists are victims of discrimination and injustice, and all of a
> > sudden they come to power... and voila, VELORUTION!

>
> Goodness gracious. All this is very un-British. I live, and ride my
> bicycle in London, which seems to be the far-away land that you are
> talking about. London's a pretty good city to ride a bicycle in, no
> need for new laws or conventions.


Oh, c'mon. The article was written by a Briton about Great Britain.
I've said your driving laws are very good and your new laws
restricting traffic into London are very encouraging, but I trust the
writer's statement that cyclists still live under the law of the
jungle in London to be right.

Either London is like Amsterdam, or it's not a welcoming place for
cyclists. How many people ride bike in London? Give me a percentage to
show.

Anyway, I'd rather ride a bike in London than in places where still
the drivers ignore any civilized rules of the road. In America we have
to tame the beast first. ;)

I read the reviews of the book, but I'm sure even bullfighting can be
done in a safe way if you know the tricks of the trade beyond "never
stand before the bull"...

http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/book_intro.html
 
On Apr 20, 4:34 pm, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
> >> Terryc <[email protected]> wrote
> >>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
> >>>> The lions control the wealth and the destiny of the jungle...
> >>> Have the elephants stopped laughing yet?
> >> Lions dont even live in jungles.

> > They do.

>
> Nope.
>
> > They are smaller, and live in the equatorial of Africa.

>
> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.


Your knowledge of the jungle doesn't extend beyond American
roads... ;)

Tracking Forest Elephants

The jungles of central Africa are home to the forest elephant. Unlike
their better-known cousins, the African elephants of the open
savannahs, forest elephants are adapted to living in dense woodlands.
They have straight tusks, for instance, since curved ones might get
caught in vines and brush. And they tend to be smaller and stockier
than savannah elephants.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/deepjungle/episode1_blake.html
 
ComandanteBanana <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> ComandanteBanana <[email protected]> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> Terryc <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>> ComandanteBanana wrote


>>>>>> The lions control the wealth and the destiny of the jungle...
>>>>> Have the elephants stopped laughing yet?


>>>> Lions dont even live in jungles.


>>> They do.


>> Nope.


>>> They are smaller, and live in the equatorial of Africa.


>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.


> Your knowledge of the jungle doesn't extend beyond American roads... ;)


So stupid it cant even manage to work out that I dont actually use american roads.

> Tracking Forest Elephants


> The jungles of central Africa are home to the forest elephant.
> Unlike their better-known cousins, the African elephants of the
> open savannahs, forest elephants are adapted to living in dense
> woodlands. They have straight tusks, for instance, since curved
> ones might get caught in vines and brush. And they tend to be
> smaller and stockier than savannah elephants.


> http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/deepjungle/episode1_blake.html


So stupid that it cant even work out the difference between a lion and an elephant.
 
On Apr 20, 5:46 pm, "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
> >> ComandanteBanana <[email protected]> wrote
> >>> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
> >>>> Terryc <[email protected]> wrote
> >>>>> ComandanteBanana wrote
> >>>>>> The lions control the wealth and the destiny of the jungle...
> >>>>> Have the elephants stopped laughing yet?
> >>>> Lions dont even live in jungles.
> >>> They do.
> >> Nope.
> >>> They are smaller, and live in the equatorial of Africa.
> >> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.

> > Your knowledge of the jungle doesn't extend beyond American roads... ;)

>
> So stupid it cant even manage to work out that I dont actually use american roads.


There you'd have needed the best survival skills. After that, you
could sleep in the cage with the lion.

>
> > Tracking Forest Elephants
> > The jungles of central Africa are home to the forest elephant.
> > Unlike their better-known cousins, the African elephants of the
> > open savannahs, forest elephants are adapted to living in dense
> > woodlands. They have straight tusks, for instance, since curved
> > ones might get caught in vines and brush. And they tend to be
> > smaller and stockier than savannah elephants.
> >http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/deepjungle/episode1_blake.html

>
> So stupid that it cant even work out the difference between a lion and an elephant.


And so stupid that the only animal that doesn't belong in the jungle
is the lion.

But still they call him the King of the Jungle.
 
One of the problems we've got is that everybody is armed and
dangerous. Nowadays the good-ol'-fashioned finger is not enough. Some
carry a gun, and some simply use their vehicles as the weapon. What's
a cyclist to do in such a jungle? I'm going to write a book, "Monkey
survival skills for the cyclist." First advice...

http://www.zazzle.com/donquijote1954/product/235149274811492050


Road rage runs rampant
on Bay Area highways

....

For whatever reason, one's genitalia grow exponentially while moving
at 40 mph in a steel and aluminum cage. Being at the helm of a 2-ton
machine makes people feel powerful, I would assume, leading to extreme
reactions from otherwise rational people.

Unfortunately, those extreme reactions are becoming more deadly.

As reported by the San Francisco Chronicle, a man driving on
Interstate Highway 280 was shot from a passing car. The man who died,
Luis Solari, died in front of his kids in the car. His offense: He cut
someone off.

The worst part is that this wasn't the first on Bay Area freeways this
month.

A woman was shot and killed April 3 on Interstate Highway 80 near
Pinole, and a man was shot along the same stretch of freeway April 1.
An arrest has been made in the former incident.

A gun is unnecessary, and says a lot about violence in our society.
Few problems, especially ones relating to cars, have ever been solved
by use of a gun. Words, even hand gestures, are better answers to the
whole problem. No one gets hurt with any of those.

Even fisticuffs are better. Bruises go away over time.

But expressing one's disgust at other people's driving by shooting a
gun at them is revealing because it's solving the problem of anger
with violence. Those who could angrily waive guns at you from passing
automobiles and potentially use them, may be showing their small
children in the back seats how not to act.

Until this point, the worst I got for cutting someone off was the
finger, not a bullet in the chest.

http://media.www.thespartandaily.co...ns.Rampant.On.Bay.Area.Highways-3321714.shtml
 
ComandanteBanana wrote:
> One of the problems we've got is that everybody is armed and
> dangerous. Nowadays the good-ol'-fashioned finger is not enough. Some
> carry a gun, and some simply use their vehicles as the weapon. What's
> a cyclist to do in such a jungle? I'm going to write a book, "Monkey
> survival skills for the cyclist." First advice...
>
> http://www.zazzle.com/donquijote1954/product/235149274811492050
>
>
> Road rage runs rampant
> on Bay Area highways
>
> ...
>
> For whatever reason, one's genitalia grow exponentially while moving
> at 40 mph in a steel and aluminum cage. Being at the helm of a 2-ton
> machine makes people feel powerful, I would assume, leading to extreme
> reactions from otherwise rational people.
>
> Unfortunately, those extreme reactions are becoming more deadly.
>
> As reported by the San Francisco Chronicle, a man driving on
> Interstate Highway 280 was shot from a passing car. The man who died,
> Luis Solari, died in front of his kids in the car. His offense: He cut
> someone off.
>
> The worst part is that this wasn't the first on Bay Area freeways this
> month.
>
> A woman was shot and killed April 3 on Interstate Highway 80 near
> Pinole, and a man was shot along the same stretch of freeway April 1.
> An arrest has been made in the former incident.
>
> A gun is unnecessary, and says a lot about violence in our society.
> Few problems, especially ones relating to cars, have ever been solved
> by use of a gun. Words, even hand gestures, are better answers to the
> whole problem. No one gets hurt with any of those.
>
> Even fisticuffs are better. Bruises go away over time.
>
> But expressing one's disgust at other people's driving by shooting a
> gun at them is revealing because it's solving the problem of anger
> with violence. Those who could angrily waive guns at you from passing
> automobiles and potentially use them, may be showing their small
> children in the back seats how not to act.
>
> Until this point, the worst I got for cutting someone off was the
> finger, not a bullet in the chest.
>
> http://media.www.thespartandaily.co...ns.Rampant.On.Bay.Area.Highways-3321714.shtml
>



the land of the free people got rights to carry guns

if they are gunna carry , they are gunna use them ... simple as that ...
 
ComandanteBanana said:
One of the problems we've got is that everybody is armed and
dangerous. Nowadays the good-ol'-fashioned finger is not enough. Some
carry a gun, and some simply use their vehicles as the weapon.


That's common where you reside, not here yet. Although the US is terrific at exporting this sort of random misdirected cultural violence to the rest of the world.
 
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:15:41 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>Gunner wants to run over and kill (murder) children if they impede his
>forward progress with his truck, carrying all those valuable parts and tools
>you know. Christ ... if only I had some parts and tools and a truck to drive
>them in like he does, then I could murder children too. Life is not fair!



Now that you have exposed your paranoia and idioucy Dedwood, please
post the relevant portions of my posts to back up your claim.

If you are unable to do so, then be reminded that A..you can be sued
for such comments, obviously lies, and B, you can be beaten to within
an inch of your life for being a lying **********.

Dedward..you are a Darwin event waiting to happen. Your arrogance
and/or stupidity will get you killed or maimed and Ill be sorry that
it happens because then some poor ******* will have to live with the
fallout for the rest of their lives.

Why not simply slit your wrists now and save that person the heart
ache?

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
 
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:51:14 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Road rage runs rampant
>on Bay Area highways


Say...isnt the Bay Area a hotbed of Liberalism?

So why are they so much more violent than everyone else?

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
 
In article <[email protected]>, Gunner Asch wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:29:51 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>> But thats the typical arrogance of many bike riders. They simply
>>> cannot stand critism for their elitist outlook or their arrogance and
>>> utter stupidity.
>>>
>>> No wonder many die as the result of their actions. Darwin events
>>> actually.
>>>
>>> Pity
>>>
>>> Gunner, who rides Cannondale, Trek, Paramount, but doesnt try to bully
>>> vehicles outweighing him by many tons.

>>
>>Nor do I! But you have a peculiar attitude for someone who rides bicycles.
>>Every cyclist who has ever ridden his bike on the open road has experienced
>>motorists who bully them because they do not want them on the road - period!
>>It is a wonder to me that more cyclists do not track down such motorists and
>>literally murder them!

>
>And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
>has had the bike riders bully them.


I have a lot of experience driving both cars and bicycles.

The main offense of cyclists against cars is running red lights while
cars that have green lights have expectations of right-of-way.
Second to that, is cyclists stopping less for stop signs than cars do.

Third place is cyclists doing less yielding to the vehicle to the right
(when both vehicles arrive at the intersection at the same time) at
intersections controlled by stop signs or at uncontrolled
intersections.

4th place is cyclists getting adventurous at intersections controlled by
stop signs, while not all roads entering the intersection are required to
stop.

Motorists also offend. In my experience, motorists offend cyclists
worst by shifting lanes without prior warning via a turn signal. This
includes the "Prime Offense" of first shifting onto a bike lane upon
approach to a right turn, and afterwards engaging the turn signal (if the
turn signal is engaged at all).
I see all too many motorists failing to use turn signals at all,
delaying use of turn signals until turning the steering wheel, not
signaling lane changes, and only sometimes signaling lane changes due to
failing to signal lane change to and/or from a parking lane!

As bad as cyclists do such feats, I see both as a cyclist and as a
motorist even worse being jaywalkers in counties with "generous juries".

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Gunner Asch <[email protected]> writes:

> And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
> has had the bike riders bully them.
>
> Its a wonder to me that they simply dont just twitch the wheel a
> smidge, far more often than they do.


Yeah, right. We're just asking for it. You car drivers
are such victims.

Maybe you should have trauma counselors to help
you get over being bullied by us bicyclists,
ya pussies.

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
 
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:17:34 -0700, [email protected] (Tom Keats)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Gunner Asch <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> And everyone who has ever drivin a motor vehicle around bike riders
>> has had the bike riders bully them.
>>
>> Its a wonder to me that they simply dont just twitch the wheel a
>> smidge, far more often than they do.

>
>Yeah, right. We're just asking for it. You car drivers
>are such victims.
>
>Maybe you should have trauma counselors to help
>you get over being bullied by us bicyclists,
>ya pussies.


Tommy boy...I drive a big assed vehicle for a living. Ive had (1)
motor vehicle citation in 9 MILLION miles, and that for crossing a
double yellow line into the car pool lane to avoid a moron swerving
all over the lane next to mine while fighting with his cell phone.

I mention that big assed vehicle, because it really doesnt care if it
turns a rider into a red smear on the pavement or not, and its not
likely to even be slowed down a smidge by chewing one up and spitting
it out, bike and all.

It also takes a significantly longer time frame to come to a dead
stop. A time frame many riders evidently seem to be unaware of, as
they act like the oncoming vehicle is a 10 yr old on a skateboard.

How about you and yours simply obeying the Vehicle Code and not press
your luck playing Chicken with 15,000 lb moving mounds of steel?

Gunner


"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr
 
[Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
Gunner Asch <[email protected]> reported Elvis on Sun, 20
Apr 2008 21:36:16 -0700 in misc.survivalism :
>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:51:14 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>Road rage runs rampant
>>on Bay Area highways

>
>Say...isnt the Bay Area a hotbed of Liberalism?
>
>So why are they so much more violent than everyone else?


Maybe they consider themselves each to be The Higher Power, and
must therefore smite the heathen on their own.

Religious fanatics seem to be that way, just ask the Secularists.
Like Eddy.

tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."
 
[Default] I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that
Gunner Asch <[email protected]> reported Elvis on Mon, 21
Apr 2008 01:31:42 -0700 in misc.survivalism :
>
>It also takes a significantly longer time frame to come to a dead
>stop. A time frame many riders evidently seem to be unaware of, as
>they act like the oncoming vehicle is a 10 yr old on a skateboard.
>
>How about you and yours simply obeying the Vehicle Code and not press
>your luck playing Chicken with 15,000 lb moving mounds of steel?


To reiterate: bicyclists seem to behave as if the they are not
more subject to the laws of physics than they are to the traffic laws.
They're wrong on both counts. There are certain "objective realities",
comrade. Wanting a diagnosis of athlete's foot doesn't make the
compound fracture go away. Believing a truck or automobile is as
maneuverable as a bike is equally foolish.



--
pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."
 

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