doctor house is right! but can anything be done to save cycling?



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I stumbled upon this board a week or so ago, initially i was pretty naive, thinking only a few riders doped, and being unaware to the prevelance of doping in cycling. I was even in the dark about LA. I'd like to say thanks to doctor house and a few others on the doping forum for opening my eyes.

I've now come to believe doctor house when he says the 100% of the tour riders are doping. At first i was a bit resentfull of this, i love watching cycling having got totally addicted to the tour this year and watching it a fair bit in the past. However, the Landis, Rasmussen (who was my fav rider) and now Vino revalations have made it impossible for me to ignore any longer.

But my question is, given the current situation is there anything that can actually be done to save the sport? It seems to me that even if we have rigourous drug testting as we do now, doctors such as mr ferrari will find a way around them, whether it's with a new drug or whatever.

The future of the tour de france and pro tour cycling in general looks very bleak to me. I just cannot see how the sport can be saved. It's a no win situation, the more rigerous the testing the more riders will be caught, the more the reputation of the sport will suffer. Surely there must now be a serious question over whether there will be a tour de france at all next year.
 
Being 100% correct about doping and sporting fraud enrages most people.

It is a cross that I am able to bear without breathing much.

My pulse rate remains at idle as hostile apologist lob threats at me.

But to your excellent question re: doping, testing, cover-up etc....

TV-sports feature cheating as Opera Theater feature, lighting, props, teleprompters, music and makeup.

Doping and event fixing are essential elements of all TV sport.

WWE = OLN Disney/ESPN = fraud Nike = evil

Pride fights, tap outs, boxing, soccer, tennis, TDF are all rigged and doped.

Accept it as freaky theater entertainment or move on.

Thank you for your kind thread.
 
Tubbs said:
He's not really a doctor... but he plays one on TV!
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We did an episode on a fictional LA. Did you see it?

Blood transfusions, cheating to race bikes, and medical privacy were at the cure of it. Dr. Cuddy made me bite my tongue.

It was very much a Hollywood parallel view of the LAF Nike-based marketing mask.

Wolf must have missed it. The obvious LAF questions/conficts were implied.
 
Doctor.House said:
We did an episode on a fictional LA. Did you see it?

Blood transfusions, cheating to race bikes, and medical privacy were at the cure of it. Dr. Cuddy made me bite my tongue.

It was very much a Hollywood parallel view of the LAF Nike-based marketing mask.

Wolf must have missed it. The obvious LAF questions/conficts were implied.
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yep... I saw that one... the character was a mountainbiker. First he was dying... then he was ok... then you implicated his agent... wow... that's when I knew the show was ********.

but maybe that was the point. hmmm....
 
Tubbs said:
yep... I saw that one... the character was a mountainbiker. First he was dying... then he was ok... then you implicated his agent... wow... that's when I knew the show was ********.

but maybe that was the point. hmmm....
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Yeah----the senior producer wanted some space with the SCA lawsuit going on at the time.

I fought it---but I did not approve the budget.
 
could dr house or anyone really, provide me with some links further explaining the role of nike or any of the other sports corporations in all this. I'd be intrested to know exactly what they are up to in this supoosed grand cover up.

That said i guess i'll have to accept the tour is "freaky entertainment" as you put it. It's a sad state of affairs but i suppose doping scandals provide entertainment in a soap opera sort of way lol.
 
I'm afraid doctor.house is still an idiot with only one *yawn* message. His idea of solving the problem is...well, i won't put words in his mouth, why don't you just tell us.

I don't believe for a second that 100% of the riders in the peleton are doping. However, those who do need to be rooted out and shamed in a public manner. They're ****ing the sport up for those of us who love it.
 
BarryB1124 said:
It would seem the problem is that the clean ones are at the back of the pack.
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Maybe the totally clean ones never made it into the pro ranks. :D
 
I'll happily continue believing that the majority of the current pro riders are clean until i'm proved otherwise.
 
Bro Deal said:
Maybe the totally clean ones never made it into the pro ranks. :D
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Yes, you certainly have to wonder. And the top guys like Rass could just be on the leading edge by using drugs that are both more efficient and difficult to test positive. On the other hand, as a former long time mountain biker, I also like to believe that Rass' past as a world champion mountain biker is serving him very well now in fending off all the attacks in the mountains.

Question: Are there ever any criminal penalties for the guys that are caught? Probably not, because one thing we never seem to see with regard to racers who have been caught, or with guys who have confessed in the last year or two, and correct me if I am wrong, is a "tell all "about their teammates and teams, or a "tell all" about the entire peleton. If guys were looking at possible criminal pentalties/jail time, in addition to suspensions, and the only way they could reduce jail time was by telling all, or "singing" as it is more commonly known, I believe we would be cleaning up the sport a lot faster.
 
trucker39 said:
I'll happily continue believing that the majority of the current pro riders are clean until i'm proved otherwise.
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ESPN needs you with their steroid-based partnerships in:

college football
NFL
MLB
NBA

These are clean Corinthinan Sports with little financial motivation for cheating, doping, corked bats, illegal gaming, event fixes, pine tar, jail house tattoos, or media cover up.

The Tour de Farce is an easy race. Any child could do it. That why very few riders need 5-6 injections per day of insulin, hGH, IGF-1, corticoids, EPO, gels of testosterone, IVs of blood and saline, pills of Prozac and Andriol.

Eddie Merkx was only drug busted three times. And he was clean too.

www.12step.program.for.denial.net For the still confused

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/51324 Cheat to win!
 
Doctor.House said:
ESPN needs you with their steroid-based partnerships in:

college football
NFL
MLB
NBA

These are clean Corinthinan Sports with little financial motivation for cheating, doping, corked bats, illegal gaming, event fixes, pine tar, jail house tattoos, or media cover up.

The Tour de Farce is an easy race. Any child could do it.
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1. i don't follow those idiotic american "sports", and i especially don't watch espn. Not that it would make any difference if i did.

2. I dunno what you're on about to be honest. Le tour is an easy race? huh? Sometimes you lose yourself in your own argument. Play another record, good boy.
 
trucker39 said:
1. i don't follow those idiotic american "sports", and i especially don't watch espn. Not that it would make any difference if i did.

2. I dunno what you're on about to be honest. Le tour is an easy race? huh? Sometimes you lose yourself in your own argument. Play another record, good boy.
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But you should. Idiotic themes are your core beliefs.

TDF = idiotic ubiquitous doping

Who has lost their way?
 
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