Gout vs. meat?

Glasswalker said:

"Goomba38" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >

Quoted message said:

Actually Steve is pretty much on target. Even syphillis can cause joint
problems.

Oh [censored]...

;^)

-Glasswalker-

Don't panic. Syphillis is pretty rare (at least in Canada, not sure
where you live) . The last time I went pricing syphillis medicine most
drug stores has a hard time finding a price.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

Mark Thorson said:

Chipper said:

You might try checking out this book; "Let's Get Well" by Adelle Davis.
She deals with gout issues in chapter 18. I have found her
recommendations to be extremely helpful in other conditions,
although she often flies in the face of conventional medicine.

This is some of the worst advice you can get.
Before you swallow any of her [censored], read a little
about her:

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/davis.html

I'd be more impressed if I didn't know of lots of doctors making just
as unfounded claims in those days. I know of at least one man who's
doctor recommended back in the 1950's that he take up smoking as it
was good for him. Fifteen years later he could not quit.

Davis may have been wrong, the reviewers may have been wrong or both
of them may have got things right occasionally.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

Puester said:

Chipper said:

You might try checking out this book; "Let's Get Well" by Adelle Davis. She
deals with gout issues in chapter 18. I have found her recommendations to
be extremely helpful in other conditions, although she often flies in the
face of conventional medicine.

Take Adele Davis with a grain of salt. Although many of her diet
suggestions are good sense, she swore that with her perfect, wonderful,
healthful diet she'd live forever.

She died of cancer in her 60's, IIRC.

gloria p

Quackwatch says 71 .

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RJ said:

It's ORGAN meat that you have to avoid.
That usually includes sausage, and some hot-dogs.

A week of gorging on shrimp in Hawaii triggered my first and only
attack, aggravated by years of taking HCTZ diuretic for blood pressure.

I thought I had gotten a spider or other bug bite that infected.
The Urgent Care doctor took one look and said "Nope, it's gout."

gloria p

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My worst attacks, early on, when i didn't know what it was,
were manageable with indocin or ibuprofen, after a few days.

I had a job where I was literally "on my toes", working on a large
machine, and may well have injured my big toe. Who knows?
My initial trigger was eating venison, morning, noon and night
for several days. Blew up my right big toe. Painful.
Urgent care and Indocin cleared it right up.

The long term therapy is allopurinol or probenecid.
You've posted about this attack, (these attacks)?
for quite some time. Does anything help? Getting better?
How was it diagnosed? uric acid levels?

Do you, or your doctor, have a plan b?

Dave S

tert in seattle said...

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q said:

notbob said...

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On 2007-06-07, Andy <q> wrote:
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> That's hardly all there is to it!

Yep. Besides, I'm a hot dog junkie. Eat 'em by the truckload. My
current fave is the National Hebrew 1/4 lb'ers. Yum!

nb

nb,

Before gout... http://www.tinypic.com/6gec5ti.jpg

My ol' faithful dogs!

Andy

is that your tinfoil hat in frame 3?

Why yes, yes it is!

Thanks for asking. 😉

Andy

Glasswalker said...

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"Andy" <q> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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Before gout... http://www.tinypic.com/6gec5ti.jpg

My ol' faithful dogs!

Andy

Okay, I've got to ask...
What's up with the Elmer's on the turnstile?

-Glasswalker-

Sorry. It was for fixing a kitchen drawer and I put it there one day and it
kinda/sorta stuck.

Never tried it! Probably tastes icky.

Andy

Puester said:

A week of gorging on shrimp in Hawaii triggered my first and only
attack, aggravated by years of taking HCTZ diuretic for blood pressure.

I remember last year (year before last?) the media running news about
a new study claiming diuretics may be as effective as other more toxic
meds for the reduction of high blood pressure. I was stunned to see
no mention of the possible problems associated with potential
dehydration from that course of treatment.

nb

notbob said:

I remember last year (year before last?) the media running news about
a new study claiming diuretics may be as effective as other more toxic
meds for the reduction of high blood pressure. I was stunned to see
no mention of the possible problems associated with potential
dehydration from that course of treatment.

Sure they're nontoxic. The side effects are hellacious. I'll
go for a little toxicity anyday.

S.

Andy said...

Quoted message said:

I've been meatless ('cept for one buffalo burger, dammit!) for over two
weeks and I'm pretty much tired of it.

The thousands of websites I've visited offering gout diet advice warn of
just about everything meat!

I'm OK with no shell fish or red meat, but pork?, chicken?, cod/halibut?

Thanks for any info,

Andy

So we've hardly broken any ground about gout vs. meet in what, 65 posts?

Oh well.

Andy

"Andy" <q> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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Sorry. It was for fixing a kitchen drawer and I put it there one day and
it
kinda/sorta stuck.

Never tried it! Probably tastes icky.

Andy

LOL. I hear it's supposed to smell pretty good, though.

Andy q said:

<RJ> said...

Quoted message said:

It's ORGAN meat that you have to avoid.
That usually includes sausage, and some hot-dogs.

That's hardly all there is to it!

Andy

Granted....
there's beans, and mushrooms, shrimp and lobster.
but among the warm-blooded critters, it's the organs
that carry the purines.

If you're like myself, it's not the diet,
but a "stack-up" of several forbiddens over a few days.

ie; Shrimp appetizers, then, Sausage & beans;\
then mushroom soup.... and then, the next day.... leftovers.
and the next day.... sore toe !

<rj>

Steve Pope said:

Sure they're nontoxic. The side effects are hellacious. I'll
go for a little toxicity anyday.

Testify!

nb

Andy q said:

So we've hardly broken any ground about gout vs. meet in what, 65 posts?

What the heck you talking about, Andy? I've met all kinds of fellow
gout sufferers. If you meant "meat, then that's been covered, too. Go
the course, get on allopurinol for six months and if you're like many
of the rest of us, you can forever afterwards eat meat till you die of
coronary heart disease before your next gout attack. Many have
expressed the same sentiment. Where the Hell you been?

nb

John Kane said:

Don't panic. Syphillis is pretty rare (at least in Canada, not sure
where you live) . The last time I went pricing syphillis medicine most
drug stores has a hard time finding a price.

Surely you are kidding, right?

As to gout, I've recently been eating some very good anchovies in salty
brine available here (Lysell brand). They are to be avoided by gout
sufferers because they are high in purines, unfortunately.

Victor

Andy q said:

Dimitri said...

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Is the "Flair Up" still painful or have you passed that point.

If you are no longer in pain ( an active crystal in a joint) then with
your doctors advice you should be ale to return tio your normal diet,
(OK maybe modified slightly)

For me as long as I drink plenty of water or & dehydrating fluids, I'm
OK.

Dimitri

Dimitri,

Yeah, it's still a bugger and I hobble around some. It switched big toes
recently, dammit!

I did call Doc for allopurinol but I've got to be clear of the symtoms
before using it, as he said, the allopurinol could further aggrevate
matters.

If I drank any more water I could be a fish! 🙂

Thank goodness you've already limited your diet so you can start to
figure out what triggers your gout! With gout, it's different
triggers for different people. Your continuing gout tells you you're
still eating a trigger food. You may find that your favorites don't
bother you (in the long run).

My BIL had to give up alcohol, but he can still have glass or two of
wine (in moderation). He can also eat shrimp with no problem - as
long as he doesn't pig out.

Hubby can eat red meat, but he's still trying (too scared of the pain
at this point) to figure out which seafood triggers his gout. If I
order shrimp or scallops, he can eat one or two with no ill effect....
but he's afraid a whole meal because it might flare up and it probably
will. He's a water drinker, so alcohol is a not a problem.... however
he went though a time where he thought orange juice was a factor.
Just to be sure, he cut OJ way back and substituted apple juice. So,
for him... (so far) it's shellfish and OJ. Not sure what will pan out
if he ever decides to do the acid test though.

Good luck, gout is *not* anything to laugh about.

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"Andy" <q> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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I've been meatless ('cept for one buffalo burger, dammit!) for over two
weeks
and I'm pretty much tired of it.

The thousands of websites I've visited offering gout diet advice warn of
just
about everything meat!

I'm OK with no shell fish or red meat, but pork?, chicken?, cod/halibut?

Thanks for any info,

Okay, I have to weigh in on this one. I've been stricken on three prior
occasions and it put me down for roughly two months at a pop. My last bout
was at Christmas and when I felt it coming on, it was on a Friday night and
I didn't have access to Colchicine.

I'd read a lot of positive things regarding black cherry juice and a buddy
of mine swears by it, so I figured I didn't have anything to lose.

Knudsen's, I believe, is the brand of pure black cherry juice I tried and I
figured if a lot is good, a helluva lot must be better. To my amazement, I
was back to 100% in 36 hours. Others on this group have pooh-pooed black
cherry juice but for me the proof is in the results. This is the first time
ever where I haven't been in absolute misery for two months when this [censored]
strikes.

Everyone's body is different and I'm not saying it will work for you, but it
sure as hell worked for me.

Until one suffers from gout, they have no idea how it destroys your life.
The way I figure it, it's a $12 investment and hopefully it'll work for you.
Either way, it can't hurt.

Good luck.

Hasta,
Curt Nelson

notbob said:

Steve Pope said:

Kaiser's "Health Encyclopedia" supports what Andy's docs told him
about allopurinol. Perhaps it's correct.

Perhaps. I'm not disputing it. But, I read all of Kaiser's info on
gout, at least all that was made available to me. I was not
impressed. I wonder if the Kaiser docs read it. All I know is the
treatment I received at Kaiser was a slow motion trainwreck
culminating in an unnecessary ambulance ride to the ER complete with a
needless spinal tap. That was the last straw.

You're talking about 10 years ago, nb. Times have changed and so has
Kaiser. I have a Doc I'm addicted to - yes, she's THAT good!

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On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:00:08 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (Steve

Pope) said:

I'm stuck with Kaiser the rest of my life, unless I successfully
emigrate to Canada or Australia or somewhere with like that.

HEH, that was actually funny! From what I've read, if you could
emigrate... you'd get to pay big bucks to have state of the art
surgery *here* vs be on a waiting list for mediocre surgery there.

😉

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notbob said:

I had a couple great docs at Kaiser, but they both bailed.

If they were good, "bailed" doesn't mean flunked out. Kaiser skims
the best doctors (fresh) out of medical school who then spend a few
years with Kaiser to build up experience. After that they stay, go
for a better offer (usually with UC) or enter private practice. The
survivors stay and eventually enter into profit sharing if no other
offer appeals. I'm sure there are exceptions to my rule, but I'm in
the city and we get the good ones here.

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Quoted message said:

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:00:08 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (Steve
Pope) wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'm stuck with Kaiser the rest of my life, unless I successfully
emigrate to Canada or Australia or somewhere with like that.

Quoted message said:

HEH, that was actually funny! From what I've read, if you could
emigrate... you'd get to pay big bucks to have state of the art
surgery *here* vs be on a waiting list for mediocre surgery there.

I've contemplated the scenario of moving to Canada, but quietly
continuing to pay my Kaiser premiums... as a backup, that is however
a very expensive scenario.

S.