60th Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré - ProT

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  1. thunder

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    yes, Piti died, and went off to the holy sepulchre with Tugboat.

    In romantic fashion they bought a dual crypt for Fuentes alumni.
     


  2. thunder

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    if everyone was 100% Evans would win this tt by a fair bit from Cancellara and Contador. The rest would be flapping in the wind.
     
  3. Crankyfeet

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    My point was not that Valverde has suddenly found dope...

    My point (which could be wrong obviously... for the reasons you point out) was that last year's TdF was an anomoly (compared to his TT peformances prior... and possibly subsequent). It appeared that in the aftermath of OP, and probably the UCI being all over him like flies on your face in Alice Springs, that he may have sacrificed the juice in preparation and during last year's TdF. IMO - Menchov likewise. Also it's probably not easy to get a Fuentes replacement/referral that quickly.

    And my understanding of TT's is that everyone is trying to ride around functional threshold. The hillier TT's favor the lighter riders because they can go faster up hills at FTP than the heavier riders, compared to their relative speeds on the flat. The descents do, I suppose, give the ability to catch one's breath, and get rid of some lactic acid, which is more difficult on the pancake flat courses. But I don't think Valverde has an advantage in strength/weight compared to Levi.

    Just my 2c for discussion.
     
  4. Bro Deal

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    Whatever happened to Hincapie's ability to TT? The average gradient doesn't look too bad here, and he was sucked at the prologue also. Did he stop working hard after he left Bruyneel?
     
  5. thunder

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    thats a tough gradient.

    Bro, check out Hansen, he is cyclingnews lovechild, a greater tter, top 10 in the vuelta tt last year, one of them he had a flat, and no neutral service so he finished last, but look where he is. Middle of the field, 4 mins behind.

    That is instructive. He likes bumpy tts too.

    Hincapie has 10 seasons of dope fuelled strength to fall back on, even if clean now.
     
  6. thunder

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    Crank, check the tts length out in the Tour. They were long. And I dont think Valverde and Caisse were bringing recovery dope to the Tour.

    So, all in all, quite expected. The only other thing expected, is Contadors recovery, and Rasmussens dope fuelled tting. Rass has worked on his tting, but that was a bloody joke. 50km tts are no problem when on all the gear Rass was last year.
     
  7. Crankyfeet

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    I worked out from the rough profile that it was about a 6% uphill grade for 6km between the 6km and 12km mark... then it was practically all downhill to the finish.

    Actually Valverde said that the first 20km of the TT was uphill... which implies that the cycling news profile might have been back to front??... :confused: (On the profile they give.... there is only 6km of uphill and the last 20km is downhill). He also said that the downhill was quite technical... and if the profile on CN is correct.... the 20km downhill was only about a 2% grade. I think they have the profile in reverse by mistake.
     
  8. Bro Deal

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    I don't want to pull it up again but it looked like <400m in about 6 - 7 km, so less than 6%. The Hincapie of old would have ridden up that like it was flat.
     
  9. thunder

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    yes, but he would not have been able to gun it like Valverde.

    Its relative. Hincapie would have handled it fine, but not been able to use his advantage.
     
  10. EvilJediJ

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    I really want to know why Valverde didn't ride the Vuelta last year.

    Hint?
     
  11. Crankyfeet

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    I don't know if you are being literal (you don't know) or sarcastic. But here is an excerpt from wikipedia on his 2007 season..

     
  12. thunder

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    there was a reason, but don't think Heroes can divulge for ethcal reasons
     
  13. Crankyfeet

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    Fair enough... that means it was a genuine reason in any case.
     
  14. azdroptop

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    New position on the bike. George commented he didn't think he was going to put down the same power.....?


     
  15. Runitout

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    Er, there's reasons and there's reasons...
     
  16. Grater

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    Valverde will win stage 4 too.
     
  17. thunder

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    hahahhahahhaha

    so, after his time at USPS, he is now changing contact points in his tt position.

    I don't buy it.
     
  18. limerickman

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    Thanks for that update, Eld.
    Good post.
     
  19. cyclingheroes

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    Private reasons.
     
  20. Crankyfeet

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    Yeah I gathered that... no problem.
     
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