Caught speeding



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DRS

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Well, kinda sorta. I ride regularly around Albert Park Lake, currently
being transformed into the Formula One circuit for the race in March. I
used to ride exclusively on the gravel running/bike track but since
Lakeside Drive, the roughly north-south road that forms the eastern part of
the race track, passes very close to the lake proper, that part of the track
is now largely covered by grandstands and what have you, the resulting
zig-zag being perhaps suitable for mountain bikes and not much else. I
accordingly have been riding along Lakeside Drive itself, and incidentally
been having a bit of fun with the fools who try to block it off to all
traffic from 7pm onwards even though there's no reason to do so until the
complete road closure beginning March 1 (the race is March 7).

The other night I was a bit earlier than usual and arrived just as the
maintenance crew were finishing off putting the big, plastic barriers across
the road. Normally by about half-past seven at least one of them has been
shifted by a cyclist so bikes can get through, this being the only obstacle
to completing a lap of the lake, but as I said I was early. So, I went left
off the bitumen about a hundred metres before the roadblock, just after the
rowing club, rode past it until I came to a gap in the concrete fencing,
hooked back through it, onto the grass and headed for the road. From a
distance I heard cries of "Excuse me! Excuse me!" but I resolutely ignored
them, chortling inside because their ute was on the far side of the
roadblock from where I was and no council worker was going to run after me,
particularly since there's no actual reason I shouldn't ride on the road
apart from the organisers' arrogance and stupidity. The metal chain having
been removed from the small wooden posts that line the road, it was trivial
for me to lift my bike over the bunting in its place and ride off towards
South Melbourne.

When you get to the South Melbourne end you have two choices how you come
back around. You can get back on the gravel running/bike path around about
the soccer stadium and complete the lap as normal, or you can stay on the
bitumen, following the road which is to be the main straight and adjacent
bits. As it happens you don't have to follow that road all the way, once
you get past the car park and the swimming centre, just before the huge
grandstands start, there's a service road just off to the left which runs
behind where the pits will be and hooks up again with the road/race track up
the far end of the circuit. When I take the bitumen route I take this
service road.

As it happens, about halfway along the service road there is now a big,
orange metal contraption with one of those oversized "LED" displays (I know
they're not really LEDs but you know what I mean) and a speed limit sign.
Somewhere there's also a laser or a radar, and that's where I got caught
speeding. You see, the limit is 10kph and the first time I went through I
got a big "22". I was just a tad disappointed but it was my second lap and
I don't pretend to be super fit or anything so I wasn't pushing as hard as I
probably should have. Anyway, the other night I remembered my "22" and
pushed a bit harder and got a "26", with which I was well pleased. The
hard-core racers are probably thinking this is all a bit pathetic but I ride
a hybrid, with not only the expected differences in gearing, but also, since
I live in St Kilda, with enough locks and chains to sink a battleship, so I
reckon my laps count for more than theirs.

So, if you're in the area sometime in the next couple of weeks, why not ride
up this service road and see what your speed is.

--

"The central problem with the concept of the 'Axis of Evil' is that it
involves an assumption that the US is the 'fulcrum of virtue'."
Bob Hawke, former Prime Minister of Australia
 
Sometime ago, we had one of these on the Coronation Drive bikeway in
Brisbane. I think the idea was to inform cyclists when they were speeding
and to suggest they slow down in future. However, it became a challenge for
some cyclists to try and beat their personal best each day when passing it.
I remember getting the timing just right one day to get my mountain bike
with slicks to register a 46. I think the council realised that it was'nt
achieving the desired result and removed it a couple of weeks later.

Jeff Westwood
 
Greetings,
Can do better than that, I was really caught for
speeding on my bicycle. It occurred way back in 1978, I was coming down
the Maroondah Hwy into Healesville going fairly flat chat, and I hit one
of the old fashioned amphometers at around 70 k/mh. The officer waved me
in and couldn't believe it. `You got a licence to drive that thing?' he
asked. Sadly, I wasn't given a ticket, I would have had it framed. I
have gone considerably faster on a bike in various places since, but
have never actually been pulled up for it.
Cheers,
Ray.

DRS wrote:

>Well, kinda sorta. I ride regularly around Albert Park Lake, currently
>being transformed into the Formula One circuit for the race in March. I
>used to ride exclusively on the gravel running/bike track but since
>Lakeside Drive, the roughly north-south road that forms the eastern part of
>the race track, passes very close to the lake proper, that part of the track
>is now largely covered by grandstands and what have you, the resulting
>zig-zag being perhaps suitable for mountain bikes and not much else. I
>accordingly have been riding along Lakeside Drive itself, and incidentally
>been having a bit of fun with the fools who try to block it off to all
>traffic from 7pm onwards even though there's no reason to do so until the
>complete road closure beginning March 1 (the race is March 7).
>
>The other night I was a bit earlier than usual and arrived just as the
>maintenance crew were finishing off putting the big, plastic barriers across
>the road. Normally by about half-past seven at least one of them has been
>shifted by a cyclist so bikes can get through, this being the only obstacle
>to completing a lap of the lake, but as I said I was early. So, I went left
>off the bitumen about a hundred metres before the roadblock, just after the
>rowing club, rode past it until I came to a gap in the concrete fencing,
>hooked back through it, onto the grass and headed for the road. From a
>distance I heard cries of "Excuse me! Excuse me!" but I resolutely ignored
>them, chortling inside because their ute was on the far side of the
>roadblock from where I was and no council worker was going to run after me,
>particularly since there's no actual reason I shouldn't ride on the road
>apart from the organisers' arrogance and stupidity. The metal chain having
>been removed from the small wooden posts that line the road, it was trivial
>for me to lift my bike over the bunting in its place and ride off towards
>South Melbourne.
>
>When you get to the South Melbourne end you have two choices how you come
>back around. You can get back on the gravel running/bike path around about
>the soccer stadium and complete the lap as normal, or you can stay on the
>bitumen, following the road which is to be the main straight and adjacent
>bits. As it happens you don't have to follow that road all the way, once
>you get past the car park and the swimming centre, just before the huge
>grandstands start, there's a service road just off to the left which runs
>behind where the pits will be and hooks up again with the road/race track up
>the far end of the circuit. When I take the bitumen route I take this
>service road.
>
>As it happens, about halfway along the service road there is now a big,
>orange metal contraption with one of those oversized "LED" displays (I know
>they're not really LEDs but you know what I mean) and a speed limit sign.
>Somewhere there's also a laser or a radar, and that's where I got caught
>speeding. You see, the limit is 10kph and the first time I went through I
>got a big "22". I was just a tad disappointed but it was my second lap and
>I don't pretend to be super fit or anything so I wasn't pushing as hard as I
>probably should have. Anyway, the other night I remembered my "22" and
>pushed a bit harder and got a "26", with which I was well pleased. The
>hard-core racers are probably thinking this is all a bit pathetic but I ride
>a hybrid, with not only the expected differences in gearing, but also, since
>I live in St Kilda, with enough locks and chains to sink a battleship, so I
>reckon my laps count for more than theirs.
>
>So, if you're in the area sometime in the next couple of weeks, why not ride
>up this service road and see what your speed is.
>
 
"Ray Peace" wrote

> Can do better than that, I was really caught for speeding on
> my bicycle. It occurred way back in 1978, I was coming down the
> Maroondah Hwy into Healesville going fairly flat chat, and I
> hit one of the old fashioned amphometers at around 70 k/mh. The
> officer waved me in and couldn't believe it. `You got a licence
> to drive that thing?' he asked. Sadly, I wasn't given a ticket,
> I would have had it framed. I have gone considerably faster on
> a bike in various places since, but have never actually been
> pulled up for it.


According to "Pedal Power", the ACT cyclists' association at
http://www.pedalpower.org.au/about/law.htm, "At present, no speed
limits in the ACT apply to cyclists on or off the road."
Assuming this is correct, is the ACT unique in this liberal
attitude?

John
 
yeah, they are heaps of fun... check out my efforts at the link below..

http://members.iinet.net.au/~gplama/bike/beatthesign.html


"DRS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, kinda sorta. I ride regularly around Albert Park Lake, currently
> being transformed into the Formula One circuit for the race in March. I
> used to ride exclusively on the gravel running/bike track but since
> Lakeside Drive, the roughly north-south road that forms the eastern part

of
> the race track, passes very close to the lake proper, that part of the

track
> is now largely covered by grandstands and what have you, the resulting
> zig-zag being perhaps suitable for mountain bikes and not much else. I
> accordingly have been riding along Lakeside Drive itself, and incidentally
> been having a bit of fun with the fools who try to block it off to all
> traffic from 7pm onwards even though there's no reason to do so until the
> complete road closure beginning March 1 (the race is March 7).
>
> The other night I was a bit earlier than usual and arrived just as the
> maintenance crew were finishing off putting the big, plastic barriers

across
> the road. Normally by about half-past seven at least one of them has been
> shifted by a cyclist so bikes can get through, this being the only

obstacle
> to completing a lap of the lake, but as I said I was early. So, I went

left
> off the bitumen about a hundred metres before the roadblock, just after

the
> rowing club, rode past it until I came to a gap in the concrete fencing,
> hooked back through it, onto the grass and headed for the road. From a
> distance I heard cries of "Excuse me! Excuse me!" but I resolutely

ignored
> them, chortling inside because their ute was on the far side of the
> roadblock from where I was and no council worker was going to run after

me,
> particularly since there's no actual reason I shouldn't ride on the road
> apart from the organisers' arrogance and stupidity. The metal chain

having
> been removed from the small wooden posts that line the road, it was

trivial
> for me to lift my bike over the bunting in its place and ride off towards
> South Melbourne.
>
> When you get to the South Melbourne end you have two choices how you come
> back around. You can get back on the gravel running/bike path around

about
> the soccer stadium and complete the lap as normal, or you can stay on the
> bitumen, following the road which is to be the main straight and adjacent
> bits. As it happens you don't have to follow that road all the way, once
> you get past the car park and the swimming centre, just before the huge
> grandstands start, there's a service road just off to the left which runs
> behind where the pits will be and hooks up again with the road/race track

up
> the far end of the circuit. When I take the bitumen route I take this
> service road.
>
> As it happens, about halfway along the service road there is now a big,
> orange metal contraption with one of those oversized "LED" displays (I

know
> they're not really LEDs but you know what I mean) and a speed limit sign.
> Somewhere there's also a laser or a radar, and that's where I got caught
> speeding. You see, the limit is 10kph and the first time I went through I
> got a big "22". I was just a tad disappointed but it was my second lap

and
> I don't pretend to be super fit or anything so I wasn't pushing as hard as

I
> probably should have. Anyway, the other night I remembered my "22" and
> pushed a bit harder and got a "26", with which I was well pleased. The
> hard-core racers are probably thinking this is all a bit pathetic but I

ride
> a hybrid, with not only the expected differences in gearing, but also,

since
> I live in St Kilda, with enough locks and chains to sink a battleship, so

I
> reckon my laps count for more than theirs.
>
> So, if you're in the area sometime in the next couple of weeks, why not

ride
> up this service road and see what your speed is.
>
> --
>
> "The central problem with the concept of the 'Axis of Evil' is that it
> involves an assumption that the US is the 'fulcrum of virtue'."
> Bob Hawke, former Prime Minister of Australia
>
>
 
GPLama <[email protected]> wrote in message
[email protected]
> yeah, they are heaps of fun... check out my efforts at the link
> below..
>
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~gplama/bike/beatthesign.html


It'd be nice to have the sort of bike that would do that sort of speed. I'm
going to change the gearing on my hybrid, if I go down any sort of decent
hill I quickly run out of gears.

--

"The central problem with the concept of the 'Axis of Evil' is that it
involves an assumption that the US is the 'fulcrum of virtue'."
Bob Hawke, former Prime Minister of Australia
 
yeah, my mtb tends to do that a little.. but when climbing hills on the
roady I really miss the mtb gearing :)



"DRS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> GPLama <[email protected]> wrote in message
> [email protected]
> > yeah, they are heaps of fun... check out my efforts at the link
> > below..
> >
> > http://members.iinet.net.au/~gplama/bike/beatthesign.html

>
> It'd be nice to have the sort of bike that would do that sort of speed.

I'm
> going to change the gearing on my hybrid, if I go down any sort of decent
> hill I quickly run out of gears.
>
> --
>
> "The central problem with the concept of the 'Axis of Evil' is that it
> involves an assumption that the US is the 'fulcrum of virtue'."
> Bob Hawke, former Prime Minister of Australia
>
>
 
Jeff Westwood wrote:
> Sometime ago, we had one of these on the Coronation Drive bikeway in
> Brisbane. I think the idea was to inform cyclists when they were speeding
> and to suggest they slow down in future. However, it became a challenge for
> some cyclists to try and beat their personal best each day when passing it.
> I remember getting the timing just right one day to get my mountain bike
> with slicks to register a 46. I think the council realised that it was'nt
> achieving the desired result and removed it a couple of weeks later.
>
> Jeff Westwood
>

The ones in Sydney's Centennial Park deliberately don't register speeds
more than 20km/h over the 30km/h limit*, I guess to discourage just this
kind of activity.

&roo

* Disclaimer: this is actually printed on the unit, not determined by
the experimental method. Especially not coming down the hill from the
cannons with the stop sign at the bottom.
 
"DRS" <[email protected]> wrote:


>It'd be nice to have the sort of bike that would do that sort of speed. I'm
>going to change the gearing on my hybrid, if I go down any sort of decent
>hill I quickly run out of gears.


Howdy DRS,

What cluster do you have on your Hybrid, I'm working on re gearing my
MTB by changing the last couple of gears to higher ratios,. I've got a
megarange (love that granny gear) and the standard top gear is 13
tooth. I've put on an 11 tooth which makes a huge difference and now
working on changing the next 2 down to higher ratios. You can pull a
cluster appart by removing the rivets. Mind you I'm doing all this to
an HG70 type not a wizz bang 9 speed blah blah blah unit that costs as
much as my bike.


May all your cycling adventures be with a tailwind,

Neil.
 
forgetit (apologies) (tomuchspam) .com.au <@bsmail> wrote in message
[email protected]
> "DRS" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It'd be nice to have the sort of bike that would do that sort of
>> speed. I'm going to change the gearing on my hybrid, if I go down
>> any sort of decent hill I quickly run out of gears.

>
> Howdy DRS,
>
> What cluster do you have on your Hybrid,


I have absolutely no idea. I have a 27-speed MBC Shogun Metro.
http://www.bikes.com.au/2004_CataloguePage_3.html#item_MBC_Shogun_Hybrid_zn_27_Speed

Right now I don't know enough to know exactly what I'd want or how much it
would cost, I just know I'm tired of running out of top-end gears. I spend
most of my riding life in gears 25/26 and I still get passed by mountain
bikes!

--

"The central problem with the concept of the 'Axis of Evil' is that it
involves an assumption that the US is the 'fulcrum of virtue'."
Bob Hawke, former Prime Minister of Australia
 
"DRS" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Right now I don't know enough to know exactly what I'd want or how much it
>would cost, I just know I'm tired of running out of top-end gears. I spend
>most of my riding life in gears 25/26 and I still get passed by mountain
>bikes!


Hello DRS,

Forgive my lack of knowlege but does the Hybrid have three or two
rings on the cranks. I would imagine that with a 27 speed bike your
highest gear would be fairly good say 11 to 30 tooth on the wheel and
say 22, 32, 42 or 44 on the cranks.

Is 25 say big ring and 7th on the wheel?


May all your cycling adventures be with a tailwind,

Neil.
 
forgetit (apologies) (tomuchspam) .com.au <@bsmail> wrote in message
[email protected]
> "DRS" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Right now I don't know enough to know exactly what I'd want or how
>> much it would cost, I just know I'm tired of running out of top-end
>> gears. I spend most of my riding life in gears 25/26 and I still
>> get passed by mountain bikes!

>
> Forgive my lack of knowlege but does the Hybrid have three or two
> rings on the cranks. I would imagine that with a 27 speed bike your
> highest gear would be fairly good say 11 to 30 tooth on the wheel and
> say 22, 32, 42 or 44 on the cranks.
>
> Is 25 say big ring and 7th on the wheel?


I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. 27 = 3 at the front *
9 at the rear.

--

"The central problem with the concept of the 'Axis of Evil' is that it
involves an assumption that the US is the 'fulcrum of virtue'."
Bob Hawke, former Prime Minister of Australia
 
Apologies) (Tom wrote:
> "DRS" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >Right now I don't know enough to know exactly what I'd want or how much
> >it would cost, I just know I'm tired of running out of top-end gears. I
> >spend most of my riding life in gears 25/26 and I still get passed by
> >mountain bikes!

> Hello DRS,
> Forgive my lack of knowlege but does the Hybrid have three or two rings
> on the cranks. I would imagine that with a 27 speed bike your highest
> gear would be fairly good say 11 to 30 tooth on the wheel and say 22,
> 32, 42 or 44 on the cranks.
> Is 25 say big ring and 7th on the wheel?
> May all your cycling adventures be with a tailwind,
> Neil.


Hi Neil:

My hybrid has 28/38/48 up front (Nexave 400; from top of my head). I
the back, used to be 11-34 (Nexave 400), but later replaced with a ne
11-32 (Deore). With the wheel size (running 700X28), it can go prett
fast, but I run out of puff pretty quickly on the top gear. That'
mostly due to the factors that set a hybrid apart from a roadie. In
particular flat street on my route, I have reached a max of low 50's
but as I said I cannot maintain a high cruise speed

Now that I commute with a roadie, on the same road, I have reached hig
60's , but cruise at mid-high 40's every day. This is on a bike with 5
(plus 39) up front and 13 at the back (11-23)



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top end speed on a hybrid isnt really that viable. the riding positio
is too upright to get good leverage (or whatever the right term is...
onto the front of your legs (quads). mtbs/roadbikes are more 'forward
and allow you to use your glutes (butt) and back more. Gearing is onl
going to help you so much. the probable lack of clipless pedals als
really limits you as you are only using half/60% of the pedal strok

But then again they were meant for casual riding..


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amirm <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<UBvYb.107151>
> Hi Neil:
>
> My hybrid has 28/38/48 up front (Nexave 400; from top of my head). In
> the back, used to be 11-34 (Nexave 400), but later replaced with a new
> 11-32 (Deore). With the wheel size (running 700X28), it can go pretty
> fast, but I run out of puff pretty quickly on the top gear. That's
> mostly due to the factors that set a hybrid apart from a roadie. In a
> particular flat street on my route, I have reached a max of low 50's,
> but as I said I cannot maintain a high cruise speed.
>
> Now that I commute with a roadie, on the same road, I have reached high
> 60's , but cruise at mid-high 40's every day. This is on a bike with 52
> (plus 39) up front and 13 at the back (11-23).
>


a little poetic license has been used here. No-one cruises in the
mid-high 40's as the ITT average speeds in UCI races are usually in
the region of 47-52kmh. I dare say that cruising in the 40s is helped
by a tailwind or down hill. I know that my commute is helped in both
directions by tailwinds: land breeze in the morning, sea breeze in the
evening.

I have to agree though, that using the roadie for commuting is much
faster than the old hybrid. The biggest advantage being lower wind
resistance from a more prone riding position...

Ritch
 
"Ritch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> a little poetic license has been used here. No-one cruises in the
> mid-high 40's as the ITT average speeds in UCI races are usually in
> the region of 47-52kmh. I dare say that cruising in the 40s is helped
> by a tailwind or down hill. I know that my commute is helped in both
> directions by tailwinds: land breeze in the morning, sea breeze in the
> evening.


Maybe the poster means high-40's "on that section" of road?
If he's cruising around at high 40's on normal streets and his
speedo is calibrated correctly he should be contacting the
AIS and asking when the Olympic squads are being picked!

> I have to agree though, that using the roadie for commuting is much
> faster than the old hybrid. The biggest advantage being lower wind
> resistance from a more prone riding position...


The road bike is faster, no doubt, but a lot of people under-
estimate their top speeds on hybrids and mtb's. Most of
the people that I have a little "race" against on my commute
never get into a really aero position, so with my weight, I
can usually roll past them on downhills. This helps a lot trying
to race roadies on my singlespeed!
The other thing is that most people don't spin fast enough
to make best use of their smaller gearing. I see folks all the
time grinding away in big gears, getting passed by spinners
on bikes that should be much slower (due to rider position, etc).

I will just point out here that I have been comprehensively
_flogged_ by juniors with restricted gearing! I'm on the
52T big ring and they spin past on something that looks
like an mtb middle ring (32T)!
In the words of the great man himself, Ali G, RESPECT!

hippy :)
 
Ritch wrote:
> amirm <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<UBvYb.107151>
> > Hi Neil:
> >
> > My hybrid has 28/38/48 up front (Nexave 400; from top of my head). In
> > the back, used to be 11-34 (Nexave 400), but later replaced with a new
> > 11-32 (Deore). With the wheel size (running 700X28), it can go pretty
> > fast, but I run out of puff pretty quickly on the top gear. That's
> > mostly due to the factors that set a hybrid apart from a roadie. In a
> > particular flat street on my route, I have reached a max of low 50's,
> > but as I said I cannot maintain a high cruise speed.
> >
> > Now that I commute with a roadie, on the same road, I have reached
> > high 60's , but cruise at mid- high 40's every day. This is on a bike
> > with 52 (plus 39) up front and 13 at the back (11-23).
> >

> a little poetic license has been used here. No-one cruises in the mid-
> high 40's as the ITT average speeds in UCI races are usually in the
> region of 47-52kmh. I dare say that cruising in the 40s is helped by
> a tailwind or down hill. I know that my commute is helped in both
> directions by tailwinds: land breeze in the morning, sea breeze in
> the evening.
> I have to agree though, that using the roadie for commuting is much
> faster than the old hybrid. The biggest advantage being lower wind
> resistance from a more prone riding position...
> Ritch


Neil:

Sorry to disappoint you, but you seem to have got two things prett
confused. I said "on a particular road on my commute route". Having sai
that, you seem not to comprehend what it exactly meant. And, I quoted m
"cruising speed on a partcular flat road" which is no way comparable t
"average speed" during a race. Did I quote my average speed

By the way, it's pretty narrow-minded to assume that I must ride slowe
than racers. Your logic is badly flawed my friend. No offence

Amir



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