Consequences for bicyclist doing 23 kph over limit in VIC?

[John McKenzie]

blah wrote:
>
> "John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > I've been told that riding a bicycle while drunk can have ramifications
> on
> > > your car licence.
> >
> > That's discrimination. That would mean that you would be dealt a harsher
> > penalty if you had a drivers licence.
> >
> >
> > That said... you shouldn't do it anyway. Its very dangerous.
> >
> >
>
> Only to the person on the bike

And whatever they scratch or dent when they hit it and do a runner


> Especially at 4am.

Where do you live? There's still ample traffic at that time (I do live
near a freeway and an airport though)

> Is anyone aware of the legalities of riding a bike while ******?

Are the laws something along the lines of operating a vehicle - but non
specific? Since we recently had the discussion that mobile phone laws
applied to a horse and carriage, I'm tipping the same.

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[BAH]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:57:07 +1000, John McKenzie <[email protected]> Wrote :

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>
>If you've got _any_ talent as a cyclist I'll show you a 50 (maybe a 60
>not sure) zone where you might get to 100 in a short stretch. You'd want
>balls of steel as theirs a railway crossing at the bottom.

As I read that I KNEW you were talking about Gaffney St. before I saw
the next bit...

>
>Gaffney st, - Just near Pascoe Vale railway station (which is at the
>bottom).

O'Hea St. You'd break a hundred easy closely followed by your neck
as you tried to scrape around the right hander at the bottom if you
didn't launch yourself into orbit off the speed hump halfway down..

Keilor Rd. is a fifty zone and I regularly break 60kph just rolling
down tucked up as small as possible. I've broken 90kph going down
Rosehill Rd. ( and about 9 going UP the other side ) but I _think_
that's a sixty zone.

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[Steve Mann]

> Are the laws something along the lines of operating a vehicle - but non
> specific? Since we recently had the discussion that mobile phone laws
> applied to a horse and carriage, I'm tipping the same.
>
yup, there is. even those little 3 or 4 wheeled disability buggies can't be
operated when ****** and I think they may also need rego in some states.

 

[Duncan]

"hippy"
> "Duncan"
> > Flat out on a flat: 60-70 kph
>
> Do you race?

Only twice, I did two complimentary races with Italo(?) years ago.
They *made* me race D grade first, I came in 15 minutes ahead of the main
group.
Next weekend they put me in A/B grade and I came in 6th or something.
I used to ride a hell of a lot more back then, commuting 200+ ks per week to
Uni.
We've actualy met, I was the guy with the long red hair when you broke your
collarbone. How is it healing?

> > Flat out downhill onroad: 97 kph (draft assisted to 80)
>
> Which hill?

Foote St Templestowe. I rode along that on my way to Uni, I would wait
near the top to time my sprint to coincide with the traffic leaving the
lights at the bottom of the previous hill. I'd sprint up to about 60 before
the hill started, tuck in behind a car, they would accelerate to about 80
then I'd peddle like a ******* to shoot past them.
The looks on their faces were priceless.

 

[Trentus]

"Alan Erskine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "David S. Maddison" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
> >
> > I have a friend who lost his car license (in VIC) for exceeding the
> > speed limit by a substantial amount (albeit under very safe
> > conditions).
> >
> > Now he has a bicycle as his principal means of travel.
> >
> > Today he reported to me that he did 73 kph in a 50 kph zone
> > (downhill).
>
> He's a liar.

No, not necessarily, a good road bike is well capable of that speed, I've
done 78 (both GPS and bike speedo clocked) down Apollo Road, and that was on
a MOUNTAIN BIKE, which hasn't the speed or aerodynamics of a good road bike.

Trentus

 

[Toby Ponsenby]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:11:19 +1000, John McKenzie wrote:

> blah wrote:
>>
>> "John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> > I've been told that riding a bicycle while drunk can have ramifications
>> on
>>> > your car licence.
>>>
>>> That's discrimination. That would mean that you would be dealt a harsher
>>> penalty if you had a drivers licence.
>>>
>>>
>>> That said... you shouldn't do it anyway. Its very dangerous.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Only to the person on the bike
>
> And whatever they scratch or dent when they hit it and do a runner
>
>
>> Especially at 4am.
>
> Where do you live? There's still ample traffic at that time (I do live
> near a freeway and an airport though)
>
>> Is anyone aware of the legalities of riding a bike while ******?
>
> Are the laws something along the lines of operating a vehicle - but non
> specific? Since we recently had the discussion that mobile phone laws
> applied to a horse and carriage, I'm tipping the same.

Yup.
I remember a town in the deep north, where the police used to 'confiscate'
the tredleys belonging to the 'seasoned older drinkers' at the local hotels.
No problem, these gents weren't particularly concerned about speeding home,
rather just getting there was an achievement, and the tredley was just the thing,
mainly because they wouldn't have made it home before opening time the next
day, otherwise.
So another machine was soon required by those caught and unseated.

Anyhow, the police used to auction stuff like that every year or so, along
with recovered unclaimed thieved stuff and assorted junk they'd
collected, and the seasoned older drinkers used to turn up and buy all
the bikes.

And so the cycle repeated.

So, the police decided not to bother with the auction. They had a room at
the station filled to the ceiling with bikes, and it was obvious that the
demand situation exceeded supply by a fair margin. The old bastards
were seen walking!
And so it came to pass that the station was broken and entered, and all the
bikes were stolen. Nothing else, jsut the bikes.
No one had thought to record the serial numbers of the machines - probably
didn't think to look.
incidentally, this was in a place where the Bowen Special tree in the
station yard was never stripped, and the Sergeant even mentioned in
the local paper that people should turn up and get as many mangoes as
they could - they were sick of cleaning up the fallen fruit.

So, it was back to the yearly auction.

--
Toby

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[Brizza]

I've heard the offence is Dangerous Driving as bikes are
considered vehicles.

I reach 87kph outside Newcastle

Brian



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[Shane H]

I'd like to see that!!!

Shane

> Now he has a bicycle as his principal means of travel.
>
> Today he reported to me that he did 73 kph in a 50 kph zone
> (downhill).

 

[Tim Jones]

"hippy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Shane" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > The world record speed for a bicycle is around 90mph, around 145kph
> but that
> > was down the side of a volcano on an purpose built engineered racing
> bike.
> > Using a radar I quite often get kids on bikes doing around 35- 40kph
> but I
> > don't think they could go much faster.
>
> "The highest speed ever achieved on a bicycle is 268.831 km/h
> (167.043 mph), by Fred Rompelberg (The Netherlands) at
> Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah, USA, on October 3, 1995. His
> record attempt was greatly assisted by the slipstream from his
> lead vehicle. Fred has been cycling professionally for nearly
> 30 years and during that time has held 11 world records."
> http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/index/AllTitles_TravelTransport.asp
>
> Scroll down to the Bikes and Motorbikes section.
>

They had a show on (I think) the Discovery channel about this guy.

He had a pretty amazing bike setup with huge gearing!

Tim

 

[DJ]

"blah" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > > I've been told that riding a bicycle while drunk can have
ramifications
> on
> > > your car licence.
> >
> > That's discrimination. That would mean that you would be dealt a
harsher
> > penalty if you had a drivers licence.
> >
> >
> > That said... you shouldn't do it anyway. Its very dangerous.
> >
> >
>
> Only to the person on the bike Especially at 4am.
>
> Is anyone aware of the legalities of riding a bike while ******?
>



> I know of an old bloke who was charged with riding a horse while highly
intoxicated.....he was charged with operating a vehicle (horse) under the
influence of a substance which the old bloke had been doing for over 50 yrs.

He was a hermit who squatted on a big property outside of Grafton(Nth Coast)
and he rode into town once a fortnight to stock up on tucker( he left the
horse tied up at the pub and got a taxi into the main town) after collecting
his pension and spent the rest of the arvo on the .....after the pub is
shut, a few of the blokes,publican included, lifted the old bloke up on the
horse, wacked on his saddlebags full of food and slapped the horses **** to
get him going.....the horse always knew his way home.....this only happened
about 20 yrs ago....I knew the old bloke.

The coppers (new kids on the block) saw him slooped over the horse one
night ( as is always) and pulled the horse over, took the old guy and put
him the paddy wagon and back to the cop shop to sleep it off....the horse
with saddle bags was left to graze beside the road for 15 hours or
more.....all his frozen food was thawed out ( he kept them in the pubs
freezer while drinking)
I beleive that no charge was recorded as it was thrown out of court.

DJ

 

[hippy]

"John McKenzie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > Flat out on a flat: 60-70 kph
> >
> > Do you race?
>
> that's not particularly unusual for a fit but non competitive cyclist.

...and that's not answering my question.
I can do over 60kph on the flat, but certainly not for too long. I
don't _think_ I've ever hit 70kph on the flat. Too many traffic
lights, etc in the city..

> > > Flat out downhill offroad: 88 kph
> > Keen...
> What kind of childhood did you have?

Funny you should ask.. a flat one. I grew up in Mildura, so
Hills are not much fun to me now and I only ever had a bmx or
a road bike when I was young - not really conducive to 88kph
offroad downhill runs...

hippy

 

[rickster]

John McKenzie <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> hippy wrote:
> >
> > "Duncan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > Flat out on a flat: 60-70 kph
> >
> > Do you race?
>
> that's not particularly unusual for a fit but non competitive cyclist.
>
>


Cipo's speed for the 2002 worlds after a monster lead out was estimted
to be 65 kmh. A solo unassisted cyclist cranking it up to that, no
lead out, no wind, no hill ?. You'd have to be more than fit for
that. John Kennedy's 1991 pro world record speed at alituted, IIRC
was just over 70 kmh. Current is about 72, and you're claiming 60-70
kmh in not "particularly unusual for a fit but non competitive
cyclist" ?

It's a speed range many A grade club racers can obtain, particulalry
sprinters, but it is not usual

[snip]

 

[John Doe]

> > Do you race?
>
> that's not particularly unusual for a fit but non competitive cyclist.

You are kidding right? 60-70 on a flat is not unusual for a non-competitve
cyclist? I ride a fair bit and must say I dont see that many people
cranking away at that speed... If any. Not even on the pacific highway when
chased by 3 lanes of angry cars during semi peak when they still can get to
60.

Pete

 

[hippy]

"rickster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > > Flat out on a flat: 60-70 kph
> > that's not particularly unusual for a fit but non competitive
cyclist.
>
> Cipo's speed for the 2002 worlds after a monster lead out was estimted
> to be 65 kmh. A solo unassisted cyclist cranking it up to that, no
> lead out, no wind, no hill ?. You'd have to be more than fit for

I guess he did say "non-competitive" which would mean not
racing. I'm not sure if I've hit 60kph on the flat alone. Maybe
with a tail wind, I'm really not sure. But I'm pretty sure I've
finished D grade races at over 60kph - I can always check
my HRM data - no guarantees that the finishes weren't wind
assisted. With my crappy drafting skills though, I probably
wasn't pulled along much! hehe

hippy
- some speed testing is in order... around the bay sprints anyone?

 

[Not Very]

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:46:37 GMT, "hippy" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> > > He's a liar.
>
> I've not seen a 50kph zone that I could do 73kph in,
> but I've hit 72kph in a 60kph zone. All it takes is
> some big legs and a bit of a hill

Try Aiken Road at West Pennant Hills in Sydney. 50kph zone, nice downhill
section. You need good brakes, though.

 

[Duncan]

"John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > Do you race?
> >
> > that's not particularly unusual for a fit but non competitive cyclist.
>
> You are kidding right? 60-70 on a flat is not unusual for a
non-competitve
> cyclist? I ride a fair bit and must say I dont see that many people
> cranking away at that speed... If any. Not even on the pacific highway
when
> chased by 3 lanes of angry cars during semi peak when they still can get
to
> 60.

Maybe I wasn't very clear. When I said 60-70 I'm talking about a balls-out
sprint, with possible vomiting to follow

 

[sethius]

dave

One of my freinds got a speeding fine for doing 90 km going flat chat
down hill in an 80 zone, He got the usual penalty the same as car
speeding over 10km. $125. sux hurr.



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[Ray Peace]

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Greetings, <br>
I got pulled up in 1978 for doing 70 in a 60 zone in the
main street of Healesville Vic. Didn't get booked for it because the cop
manning the trap didn't believe it (!) Have overtaken cars more recently
on the well-known Olivers Hill in Frankston (doing 77 at the time), but as
noted, Wooralla Rd at the back of Mt Eliza is steeper for anyone who really
wants to go flat chat. <br>
Regards, <br>
Ray<br>
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[Tim Jones]

"John McKenzie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> hippy wrote:
> >
> > "Duncan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Flat out on a flat: 60-70 kph
> >
> > Do you race?
>
> that's not particularly unusual for a fit but non competitive cyclist.
>

That inspired me to try last night to see how fast I could go.

I surprised myself by getting up to 55km/h on the flat along Barkers rd Kew
(on my MTB with knobblies, and a backpack with clothes and laptop). Couldn't
continue going fast as the cars started to get in my way!

;-)

Tim

 

[hippy]

"Duncan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Next weekend they put me in A/B grade and I came in 6th or something.
> I used to ride a hell of a lot more back then, commuting 200+ ks per
week to
> Uni.

Nice one. I ride that much now, but I don't think I'd stand a chance in
A or B grades. Of course, there is much higher need for good bunch
skills, "friends" and race tactics in the higher grades - all of which I
lack.

> We've actualy met, I was the guy with the long red hair when you broke
your
> collarbone. How is it healing?

Ahhh.. THAT Duncan! Howdy!
My arm is 99% which is probably where it will be for the rest of my
life.
I haven't done any weight lifting or anything with it, but nothing has
really presented problems in 'normal' life...
Went in for an op to have it pinned but came out with them telling me
that it had already healed - well DUH! What do they expect when they
make me wait 3 weeks for surgery!?
I guess you've been doing a fair bit of mtb'ing with the nicer weather?
I've been doing lots more road riding than anything else for ATB.
Wouldn't mind taking my GT to the SS Worlds.. more for the beer
than anything else ;-)

> the hill started, tuck in behind a car, they would accelerate to about
80
> then I'd peddle like a ******* to shoot past them.
> The looks on their faces were priceless.

I LOVE passing cars at high speed...

hippy