Does a trike put me on a collision course with traffic?

[ComandanteBanana]

On Apr 5, 1:58 am, Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 4, 9:27 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
> > and this and that.  That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
> > group of people.  That public investment could probably go for better
> > uses.
>
> There's a bit of crossposting going on but judging by your "bikers in
> the group" phrase I'm guessing that you are posting from the
> alt.planning.urban group. Just as a point of information, there are
> probably at least as many cyclists vehemently opposed to bike lanes as
> there are bike lane boosters.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Hunt

I've said there are TWO OPTIONS: BIKE LANES or ENFORCED 20MPH LANES.

But it won't happen before we destroy the world. What we are lacking
is POLITICAL WILL!

 

[Pat]

On Apr 5, 11:13 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Apr 5, 1:58 am, Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 4, 9:27 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
> > > and this and that.  That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
> > > group of people.  That public investment could probably go for better
> > > uses.
>
> > There's a bit of crossposting going on but judging by your "bikers in
> > the group" phrase I'm guessing that you are posting from the
> > alt.planning.urban group. Just as a point of information, there are
> > probably at least as many cyclists vehemently opposed to bike lanes as
> > there are bike lane boosters.
>
> > Regards,
> > Bob Hunt
>
> I've said there are TWO OPTIONS: BIKE LANES or ENFORCED 20MPH LANES.
>
> But it won't happen before we destroy the world. What we are lacking
> is POLITICAL WILL!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have a meeting on Monday. It's 240 miles east of here and it'll end
at about 7:00 PM. Should I take my bike or drive at 20 mph. I don't
think I want to drive for 24 hours straight.

You're pretty funny.

 

[Pat]

On Apr 5, 11:10 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Apr 4, 10:28 pm, Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 4, 7:39 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 4, 12:05 am, Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 31, 12:00 pm, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Having other types of bikes in my collection, I'm about to get offthe
> > > > > beaten path and get either a ROAD TANDEM BIKE or a FANCY UPRIGHT
> > > > > TRIKE. Well, I like them both but the road tandem would necessarily
> > > > > put me on the road AMONG THE BEASTS all the time, while the trike I
> > > > > can use on the back streets and on a new path being built overlooking
> > > > > the ocean (cool). But I'd be tempted to ride it on the streets
> > > > > sometimes, squarely TAKING THE LANE because then I'd be more of a
> > > > > vehicle.
>
> > > > > What's your thought, I'd be safer in the trike than on the road
> > > > > tandem, or should I start planning my funerals?
>
> > > > > WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>
> > > > The 2006 US Census estimated the total population at just under 300
> > > > million people. According to FARS data in that same year, 773 cyclists
> > > > were killed in traffic crashes. Adding pedestrian deaths there were
> > > > just 5740 non-motorist deaths from traffic crashes that year. That
> > > > would seem to contradict your view that a significant percentage of
> > > > motorists are homicidal maniacs intent on doing cyclists harm. Either
> > > > that or the overwhelming majority of that group are *extremely
> > > > incompetent* homicidal maniacs.
> > > > Pedal your bike, not your silly fearmongering.
>
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Bob Hunt
>
> > > It ain't fearmongering; it's the reality of the jungle, which is in
> > > plain view for all to see...
>
> > Some jungle. According to the National Safety Council's 2005
> > statistics your lifetime odds of dying in a car versus bike crash are
> > 1 in 4098. To put that in perspective, the same statistics put your
> > lifetime odds of dying from falling out of your bed or a chair at 1 in
> > 4225.
>
> > Regards,
> > Bob Hunt- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Yeah, but that's only if you ride your bike once a year. I took a nice
> 20mile ride and survived it... What does it prove?
>
> You are advising me to buy the tandem road bike I like and ride it
> everyday among the top predators?
>
> Hint: Check the book "It's No Accident," and you will know what
> happens when people are not paying attention to driving.- Hide quoted text-
>
> - Show quoted text -

Frankly, I think you should stay off of a bike. I think you're way
too intimidated by cars to ride safely. You post like you're a scare
rabbit. Take a taxi, seems like it's a better mode of transporation
for you.

 

[Tom Sherman]

Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote:
> [...]
> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better
> uses.
>
A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and
wears the associated clothing and accessories.

A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle. Real cyclists do NOT want
ghetto facilities such as "bicycle lanes".

> Since you guys like telling other people what they should do and how
> they should do it, what would happen if the rest of us -- the 99.9%
> who don't ride bikes -- just said "it would be cheaper and better for
> society if we just banned bikes from public streets because the added
> cost of them is just too high and even the riders report that it is
> way too dangerous".

Do not be stupid, and group every cyclist in with a few fear mongers.

Furthermore, cyclists pose no real danger to other users of public
infrastructure, especially compared to motor vehicles.

Cycling is NOT dangerous compared to other normal activities, and
requires no extra investment in infrastructure.

While there are infrastructure improvements that would aid cyclists
(secure parking, showers at work places), these are cheap compared to
what is invested in motor vehicle only infrastructure.

> First the ban cell phones for drivers because
> they are "dangerous"; why not ban bikes because they are too dangerous?

That question is too silly to deserve a response.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Tom Sherman]

Pat wrote:
> ...
> Public streets can't have motorized wheelchairs, those little
> "motorcycles" that kids ride, off-road motorcycles (such as motocross)
> and anything else without a place. Actually, a bicycle is an
> exception to the common rule of what can be on a street. It's the
> only thing I can think of that can be on a street without a plate and
> without a licensed operator.

Ever see a license plate on a horse?

> Even snowmobiles need to be registered.
> But not bikes. You've raised a good point. Maybe they should
> register bikes, require a plate and have a licensed operator.
> Hmmmmmmm.
>
Why not require licenses and plates for pedestrians?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Tom Sherman]

Bob Hunt wrote:
> On Apr 4, 9:27 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better
>> uses.
>>
>
> There's a bit of crossposting going on but judging by your "bikers in
> the group" phrase I'm guessing that you are posting from the
> alt.planning.urban group. Just as a point of information, there are
> probably at least as many cyclists vehemently opposed to bike lanes as
> there are bike lane boosters.
>
Note that Bob uses the correct term "cyclist" for the user of the human
powered single-track vehicle. In the US, "biker" means something quite
different. This is typical "biker" specimen:
<http://www.coloradochaps.com/images/biker-1.jpg>.

Do not let Bill Zaumen et al convince you that most cyclists like being
ghettoized into "bicycle lanes".

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Tom Sherman]

Pat wrote:
> On Apr 5, 11:13 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> On Apr 5, 1:58 am, Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 4, 9:27 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
>>>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
>>>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better
>>>> uses.
>>> There's a bit of crossposting going on but judging by your "bikers in
>>> the group" phrase I'm guessing that you are posting from the
>>> alt.planning.urban group. Just as a point of information, there are
>>> probably at least as many cyclists vehemently opposed to bike lanes as
>>> there are bike lane boosters.
>>> Regards,
>>> Bob Hunt
>> I've said there are TWO OPTIONS: BIKE LANES or ENFORCED 20MPH LANES.
>>
>> But it won't happen before we destroy the world. What we are lacking
>> is POLITICAL WILL!- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I have a meeting on Monday. It's 240 miles east of here and it'll end
> at about 7:00 PM. Should I take my bike or drive at 20 mph. I don't
> think I want to drive for 24 hours straight.
>
Video conferencing?

Actually, "ComandanteBanana" aka "donquijote1954" is only advocating the
20 mph speed limit in the right-hand lane on multi-lane roads.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Tom Sherman]

Cyclist Bob Hunt wrote:
> On Mar 31, 12:00 pm, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> Having other types of bikes in my collection, I'm about to get off the
>> beaten path and get either a ROAD TANDEM BIKE or a FANCY UPRIGHT
>> TRIKE. Well, I like them both but the road tandem would necessarily
>> put me on the road AMONG THE BEASTS all the time, while the trike I
>> can use on the back streets and on a new path being built overlooking
>> the ocean (cool). But I'd be tempted to ride it on the streets
>> sometimes, squarely TAKING THE LANE because then I'd be more of a
>> vehicle.
>>
>> What's your thought, I'd be safer in the trike than on the road
>> tandem, or should I start planning my funerals?
>>
>> WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution
>
> The 2006 US Census estimated the total population at just under 300
> million people. According to FARS data in that same year, 773 cyclists
> were killed in traffic crashes. Adding pedestrian deaths there were
> just 5740 non-motorist deaths from traffic crashes that year. That
> would seem to contradict your view that a significant percentage of
> motorists are homicidal maniacs intent on doing cyclists harm. Either
> that or the overwhelming majority of that group are *extremely
> incompetent* homicidal maniacs.
> Pedal your bike, not your silly fearmongering.
>
I am going to shock Bob Hunt by agreeing with him.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Tom Sherman]

Pat, vehicular bully, wrote:
> [...]
> Meanwhile, if you feel unsafe, look within. Are you doing anything
> that you shouldn't be or that's unpredictable? I see more of that
> with people on bikes than with drivers. Drivers are a fairly
> predictable group. You know about what speed they are going, how wide
> the lane is and how wide the car is. If you are obstructing them,
> then get out of the way. You need to be able to keep up with traffic
> if you're going to be on the road.
>
So might makes right, eh?

Can I put a ram on the front of a dump-truck and go plowing through city
traffic that is going more slowly than I want to go?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Scott M. Kozel]

Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote:
>
> > The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
> > and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
> > group of people. That public investment could probably go for better
> > uses.
>
> A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and
> wears the associated clothing and accessories.

That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions.

The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle,
motorcycle, or motorbike" --

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker

> A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle.

"Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well --

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist

 

[Tom Sherman]

Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote:
>>
>>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
>>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
>>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better
>>> uses.
>> A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and
>> wears the associated clothing and accessories.
>
> That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions.
>
> The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle,
> motorcycle, or motorbike" --
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker
>
>> A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle.
>
> "Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well --
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist

The dictionary is wrong as concerns actual usage.

Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers".

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Scott M. Kozel]

Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> > Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote:
> >>
> >>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
> >>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
> >>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better
> >>> uses.
> >>
> >> A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and
> >> wears the associated clothing and accessories.
> >
> > That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions.
> >
> > The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle,
> > motorcycle, or motorbike" --
> >
> > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker
> >
> >> A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle.
> >
> > "Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well --
> >
> > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist
>
> The dictionary is wrong as concerns actual usage.
>
> Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers".

The dictionaries represent the most commonly recognized societal usages
of particular words, and they trump your opinions.

 

[Tom Sherman]

Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Scott M. Kozel wrote:
>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
>>>>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
>>>>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better
>>>>> uses.
>>>> A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and
>>>> wears the associated clothing and accessories.
>>> That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions.
>>>
>>> The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle,
>>> motorcycle, or motorbike" --
>>>
>>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker
>>>
>>>> A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle.
>>> "Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well --
>>>
>>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist
>> The dictionary is wrong as concerns actual usage.
>>
>> Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers".
>
> The dictionaries represent the most commonly recognized societal usages
> of particular words, and they trump your opinions.

How many dictionary writers are proper cyclists?

Real cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". Duh!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Tom Keats]

In article <[email protected]>,
Tom Sherman <[email protected]> writes:

>>> Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers".
>>
>> The dictionaries represent the most commonly recognized societal usages
>> of particular words, and they trump your opinions.
>
> How many dictionary writers are proper cyclists?
>
> Real cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". Duh!

I happily remain a simple bicycle rider, or just plain: rider.

Words that end with "ist" sound too political to me.

"Real" cyclists -- phffft. What else is there? Holographic
cyclists? Hallucinations? Astral projections?

Actually I haven't astral projectionally ridden my bike yet.
But I /have/ astral projectionally sk8boarded. It was alright,
but no substitute for the real thing.

And thanx in advance for not buggin' me about my
use of the word: "simple."

Astral projection four-square hackey-sack is kewl, if you
hook up with not too many demonic entity participants, and
if you can find the perfect empty parking lot to do it in.


cheers,
Tom

--
"Food for thought is no substitute for the real thing."
-- Walt Kelly, via Pogo
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

 

[Scott M. Kozel]

Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> > Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> >>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
> >>>>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
> >>>>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better
> >>>>> uses.
> >>>> A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and
> >>>> wears the associated clothing and accessories.
> >>> That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions.
> >>>
> >>> The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle,
> >>> motorcycle, or motorbike" --
> >>>
> >>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker
> >>>
> >>>> A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle.
> >>> "Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well --
> >>>
> >>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist
> >> The dictionary is wrong as concerns actual usage.
> >>
> >> Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers".
> >
> > The dictionaries represent the most commonly recognized societal usages
> > of particular words, and they trump your opinions.
>
> How many dictionary writers are proper cyclists?
>
> Real cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". Duh!

Who defines what is a "proper cyclist" or "real cyclist"?

 

[Tom Sherman]

Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Scott M. Kozel wrote:
>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Scott M. Kozel wrote:
>>>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
>>>>>>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
>>>>>>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better
>>>>>>> uses.
>>>>>> A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and
>>>>>> wears the associated clothing and accessories.
>>>>> That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle,
>>>>> motorcycle, or motorbike" --
>>>>>
>>>>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker
>>>>>
>>>>>> A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle.
>>>>> "Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well --
>>>>>
>>>>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist
>>>> The dictionary is wrong as concerns actual usage.
>>>>
>>>> Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers".
>>> The dictionaries represent the most commonly recognized societal usages
>>> of particular words, and they trump your opinions.
>> How many dictionary writers are proper cyclists?
>>
>> Real cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". Duh!
>
> Who defines what is a "proper cyclist" or "real cyclist"?

If you have to ask, you are obviously not one. Here is a hint - their
single track vehicles are NOT powered by V-Twin engines.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

 

[Scott M. Kozel]

Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> > Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> >>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Scott M. Kozel wrote:
> >>>>> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
> >>>>>>> and this and that. That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
> >>>>>>> group of people. That public investment could probably go for better
> >>>>>>> uses.
> >>>>>> A "biker" is someone that rides a large cruiser type motorcycle and
> >>>>>> wears the associated clothing and accessories.
> >>>>> That is not correct according to standard major dictionary definitions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The first definition of "biker" is "a person who rides a bicycle,
> >>>>> motorcycle, or motorbike" --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/biker
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> A cyclist is someone who rides a bicycle.
> >>>>> "Cyclist" includes bicycle and motorcycle use as well --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cyclist
> >>>> The dictionary is wrong as concerns actual usage.
> >>>>
> >>>> Proper cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers".
> >>> The dictionaries represent the most commonly recognized societal usages
> >>> of particular words, and they trump your opinions.
> >> How many dictionary writers are proper cyclists?
> >>
> >> Real cyclists DO NOT refer to themselves as "bikers". Duh!
> >
> > Who defines what is a "proper cyclist" or "real cyclist"?
>
> If you have to ask, you are obviously not one. Here is a hint - their
> single track vehicles are NOT powered by V-Twin engines.

The point is, that YOU don't get to define words for everybody.

The dictionary definitions trump your static worldview.

 

[Pat]

On Apr 5, 5:37 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Pat, vehicular bully, wrote:
> > [...]
> > Meanwhile, if you feel unsafe, look within.  Are you doing anything
> > that you shouldn't be or that's unpredictable?  I see more of that
> > with people on bikes than with drivers.  Drivers are a fairly
> > predictable group.  You know about what speed they are going, how wide
> > the lane is and how wide the car is.  If you are obstructing them,
> > then get out of the way.  You need to be able to keep up with traffic
> > if you're going to be on the road.
>
> So might makes right, eh?
>
> Can I put a ram on the front of a dump-truck and go plowing through city
> traffic that is going more slowly than I want to go?
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

You entirely missed the point. The point is, it appears that the
poster is scared and hesitant and therefore probably is unsafe in
traffic. If you do things that are unpredictable, you will have more
trouble. If you go slower or faster than traffic, it is dangerous.
That's why bikes and horse and pedestrians are banned from highways.
And, if you go UNDER 45 on an expressway, you can be ticketed for
that, too, if everyone else is going at road speed. The gov't has
recognized that going too slow is dangerous. If you can't keep up
with traffic, get off the road. If you can, and you are still having
problems, then look within.

 

[Pat]

On Apr 5, 5:32 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Pat wrote:
> > On Apr 5, 11:13 am, ComandanteBanana <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> On Apr 5, 1:58 am, Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>> On Apr 4, 9:27 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> The bikers in the group say we need bike lanes and camera enforcement
> >>>> and this and that.  That's a HUGE investment for a relatively small
> >>>> group of people.  That public investment could probably go for better
> >>>> uses.
> >>> There's a bit of crossposting going on but judging by your "bikers in
> >>> the group" phrase I'm guessing that you are posting from the
> >>> alt.planning.urban group. Just as a point of information, there are
> >>> probably at least as many cyclists vehemently opposed to bike lanes as
> >>> there are bike lane boosters.
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Bob Hunt
> >> I've said there are TWO OPTIONS: BIKE LANES or ENFORCED 20MPH LANES.
>
> >> But it won't happen before we destroy the world. What we are lacking
> >> is POLITICAL WILL!- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I have a meeting on Monday.  It's 240 miles east of here and it'll end
> > at about 7:00 PM.  Should I take my bike or drive at 20 mph.  I don't
> > think I want to drive for 24 hours straight.
>
> Video conferencing?
>
> Actually, "ComandanteBanana" aka "donquijote1954" is only advocating the
> 20 mph speed limit in the right-hand lane on multi-lane roads.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

For what I do, video conferencing is prohibited by law. You need to
appear in person.

 

[Pat]

On Apr 5, 5:22 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Pat, an apparent non-cyclist, wrote:> [...]

What's this "non-cyclist" stuff? I don't know if I am or not. Too
many semantics here for me. But the snow is off and the weather is
warming. The ski slope up the road even closes tomorrow. So I
started getting my bike out of winter storage. That was a nice
feeling.

I got the cob webs off of her and I just pushed the starter and she
jumped right to life. Maybe next weekend I'll change the oil and
install the new thermostat I just ordered.

It'll keep up with traffic and presents a pretty big profile so I
don't get intimidated. Traffic has never been a problem for me.
Mostly I just sit back, turn on the tape player, set the cruise
control and enjoy the ride.

Driving 20 mph around here, on the right lane of a multi-lane road
would be a death sentence. If you were lucky, the troopers would
arrest you before you got yourself killed. All of the 4 lanes around
here are limited access and ban bikes, horses, and other vehicles that
can't obtain road speed (posted at 65 but no one ever drives that
slow).