Empty calories

[Ratiocinator]

Ratio. Could I have an example of your daily diet. Please let me reassure you it's not stir the pot, or to reem you with. Im just very curious. I myself struggle with food choices everyday.

As food tastes seem to considerably vary between people, and mine are often not shared by very many others, I don’t think posting my daily diet will be of much help.

I will instead offer a few links to some good sites where you will be able to find recipes and other useful information:


http://www.therawfoodcoach.com/

http://www.detoxyourworld.com/

http://www.raw4life.com/

Raw food forum: http://www.sunfood.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi

http://purejoyplanet.com/

http://veganmenu.blogspot.com/search/label/Raw%20Food%20Wednesday

http://www.funkyraw.com/

http://www.rawliving.co.uk/

http://www.fromsadtoraw.com/RawRecipes.htm

Another raw food forum: http://www.rawfoodchat.com/forums/fasting-detox-support/

http://myhq.com/public/s/u/susanv/

http://www.rawguru.com/

http://www.rawfoodchat.com/

http://rawandjuicy.com/

http://fromsadtoraw.com/

http://www.fresh-network.com/

http://www.rawfoods.com/

 

[zaskar]

I find it interesting how you abuse me, encourage me to commit suicide, and in general post a lot of vileness and hatred, yet you accuse me of being the extremist!



Did I touch upon a nerve? I can’t understand why. After all, all I am guilty of is being able to think for myself and outside of the mainstream box, see dangers for what they are, think about and study things, and refuse to accept without question the ways forced upon me (us all) since my birth that we are all expected to live by.



Why you get so upset is beyond me! Maybe you hold shares in Ben & Jerry’s? Maybe I am introducing you to a few truths that might just force you to think about things? Does that make you uncomfortable, having to actually think about the consequences of your actions and why you do what it is you do?



Is it the way of the extremist to take measures to prevent suffering and to end cruelty? Or is the extremists way one of pushing disease and suffering and forcing death upon 48-billion non-humans each year whilst ensuring the future illness of countless millions of humans too? The answer is simple; it does not require much thought. However, cognitive dissonance could get in the way. After all, the domicile of the mentally impuissant, the sealed cocoon with its delusive milieu and opacified periphery, surely is a comfortable place in which to dwell!



Maybe this is just a simple case of herd mentality? You cannot help, as a zombie and a sheep, but blindly follow what the majority of people do. Well, that is how humans tend to behave, just ask any half decent psychologist. So the minority, me in this case, are immediately, and without just cause, attacked and demonized as an automatic response.



I find it rather irritating that the multitude act in such a way. Baaa. Baaa.



I wonder if what I just wrote will prompt an ego response in you? Maybe you will be prompted to reply with an ill judged post attacking me because you have been primordially preprogrammed to assert that yours is the larger penis?



For all the good it will do, I recommend rising above such innate programming. I advocate intellectual analysis over automatic control via cerebro-chemistry. Try to override the innate primordial urges for more rational and considered actions. That is my advice.

No B&J I own 2 Mc Donalds. Wanna free Big Mac? G K Y.............

 

[Jono L]

Anyway, back on topic...

I generally follow the recommendations of this site
http://www.ais.org.au/nutrition/HotTopics.asp

Ratio,
Out of curiousity, what is your daily diet like? The links are interesting but didn't really answer the initial question.

 

[Ratiocinator]

I generally follow the recommendations of this site
http://www.ais.org.au/nutrition/HotTopics.asp

The first thing I saw on opening that page was a message declaring it to be sponsored by Nestle! The second thing I saw was a heraldic coat of arms and stamp of the Australian Government.

Stay well away from that page! Seriously. If you think the government will go out of its way to give you good advice, then you are mistaken. The government however will certainly go out of its way to mislead you, to give you some good advice to boost its credibility, and then go on to give you terrible advice that is not in your best interests at all.

And Nestle! Come on! That sinister company cannot be trusted one iota. You would be doing yourself a serious disservice heeding nutrition advice from anything associated with them. If you want a list of their misdeeds then get on Google; they are not hard to find.

Do yourself a favour: Anything connected with government or with big business, concerning health advice specifically, should be avoided. The corporate world would gladly kill you for a $1 profit, and the government does not exactly have a marvelous record in this area either. They do not care for you or for your well-being. They have their own agendas, and their agendas are certainly not consistent with what is best for you.

Ratio,
Out of curiousity, what is your daily diet like? The links are interesting but didn't really answer the initial question.

I have addressed this question already and do not really have anything further to add.

 

[Jono L]

Good points. I agree that wholehearted trust in one's government is plain stupid, BUT here's why I'm still going with (well not all of course..) the info on that page. Where in their information is there any mention of Nestle products?

The majority of your links quote scientific journals and research papers etc, this link does exactly the same. So my sources and your sources are both backed by research, yet somehow only your information is correct?

I'm going with the AIS to race/train in Italy for a month (amateur junior races), now tell me, why would they (coaches, dieticiens, administrators) direct me towards nutritional advice that is not correct and only propaganda when the performance of myself and other's in this squad determine the amount of funding they recieve?

 

[Ratiocinator]

Sports nutrition is different to health and optimum nutrition. Only yesterday I DL’d a book by a famous bodybuilder. This book was obviously some years old.



From reading just a small part of the book I decided to see if this bodybuilder was still alive. Nope. The guy is gone! He died about 6-years ago in his early 50’s. Not exactly a ripe old age. Heart disease is what got him.



I then looked at other bodybuilders from decades past. Serious health problems feature in most of them. Those still alive, that is!



I know this is not bodybuilding, but there are many similarities and parallels.



On the topic of scientific studies: The book, Plant Based Health and Nutrition, that I recommend is written by a PhD who specializes in the analysis of such studies, regardless of the subject of the studies. It takes such an expert to decipher the truth from distortion, lies, and reports commissioned to be misleading. Not all scientific studies are alike. Yes, this is a very frustrating world in which we are immured. The leaders, be they political, religious, or corporate, do not give a damn about anyone. All they care about is satiating their insatiable lust for power, blood, and money. Choose whose advice to follow with extreme caution.



After looking at many aspects of how certain groups behave, the decisions they have made and what they support and preach, one’s sense of discernment becomes attuned to being able to recognize good information. It becomes able to dismiss bad information for the garbage that it is.



There is more to this issue than mere scientific reports, but they certainly help.



On Nestle: Guilt by association is a good failsafe strategy when dealing wih those criminals. Any genuine and worthy group that advocates certain nutritional advice would never associate themselves with such a despicable company such as Nestle. Would you get a loan from a bank sponsored by the Chicago Outfit?

 

[Jono L]

On Nestle: Guilt by association is a good failsafe strategy when dealing wih those criminals. Any genuine and worthy group that advocates certain nutritional advice would never associate themselves with such a despicable company such as Nestle.

I don't strictly agree with the 'all evil' analysis of Nestle, I mean 'criminals' chill out, people choose to buy Nestle products. But it does remind me of the irony in Mcdonalds sponsoring various junior sport competitions in Australia, and even worse, and you'll love this, there's a McDonalds in the Royal Childrens Hospital! (Melbourne Aus..)

Anyway, I think the important point that hadn't been made yet was the difference between sport nutrition and health nutrition...

 

[Jono L]

Sports nutrition is different to health and optimum nutrition. Only yesterday I DL’d a book by a famous bodybuilder. This book was obviously some years old.



From reading just a small part of the book I decided to see if this bodybuilder was still alive. Nope. The guy is gone! He died about 6-years ago in his early 50’s. Not exactly a ripe old age. Heart disease is what got him.



I then looked at other bodybuilders from decades past. Serious health problems feature in most of them. Those still alive, that is!

Oh come on, I'm sure you realise it's the steroids, HGH etc's that kill them, not that extra glass of milk before bed

 

[Ratiocinator]

I don't strictly agree with the 'all evil' analysis of Nestle, I mean 'criminals' chill out

No hyperbole. Evil, as in deliberately causing harm, is most certainly a reality. It is certainly a thing in which Nestle willfully partakes.

 

[Ratiocinator]

Oh come on, I'm sure you realise it's the steroids, HGH etc's that kill them, not that extra glass of milk before bed

The steroids certainly do not help, but it was reading that this guy drank and promoted cow milk that prompted me to check on him.

Bodybuilders are different from many other sports nutrition fields in that bodybuilders tend to eat a hell of a lot more animal products, milk, meat, etc. This is their undoing.

I would sooner down a plate of steroids than a plate of hacked-up body parts.

 

[Jono L]

I would sooner down a plate of steroids than a plate of hacked-up body parts.

Curious, does this mean you won't eat animals that are bred for human consumption because they are pumped full of 'roids or other products

OR

you won't eat other animals simply because they are animals?

 

[Ratiocinator]

There are many reasons why I refrain from downing rotting flesh.

In summary:


1) I value my health.

2) I am not morally dead.

3) I try to avoid contributing to massive environmental destruction.

 

[Jono L]

There are many reasons why I refrain from downing rotting flesh.

In summary:


1) I value my health.

Hmmmm animals have been eating animals for years. We're carnivores.

 

[Ratiocinator]

We are certainly not carnivores. We are not even omnivores. We are anatomically and physiologically herbivorous.



Meat and milk is toxic to humans and causes all manner of disease. Not many people realize this because disease is treated as a ‘normal’ thing that is unavoidable, and that ‘just happens’! Not many people think very much.

Unethical farmers often feed meat to cows and other natural herbivores. That does not make them carnivorous. Neither does meat in the human diet make us carnivorous.

Basic things such as the length of our entrails, the ph level of our stomach acid, the muscular structure of our jaws, the flatness and shovel-type shape of our teeth. All these things are what make us suited to plants, not meat. A child, when an animal and an apple are placed before it, will eat the apple, not the animal. This is instinctive behaviour.

Read more here:

http://www.earthsave.ca/articles/health/comparative.html

 

[zaskar]

I would sooner down a plate of steroids than a plate of hacked-up body parts.

I also bet you would down a glass of semen before(meat) hacked up body parts.

 

[gt3413]

Lookie there Zaskar, you ran off our punching bag. Who do we have now that will willingly put theirself in harms way.

Honestly, I don't usually make fun or take offense to many people, but his extremism invites it.

 

[zaskar]

Honestly, I don't usually make fun or take offense to many people, but his extremism invites it.

I agree. no more food for the Troll.

 

[gt3413]

LOL, finished. Thanks bro, Greg

 

[Bro Deal]

...Meat and milk is toxic to humans and causes all manner of disease. Not many people realize this because disease is treated as a ‘normal’ thing that is unavoidable, and that ‘just happens’! Not many people think very much...

Wow. Looney tunes. Cranks on the Internet are always good for a laugh.

 

[jamesstout]

. A child, when an animal and an apple are placed before it, will eat the apple, not the animal. This is instinctive behaviour.

I LOL'ed