gym.gravity wrote:
> On Nov 30, 12:31 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 30, 2:10 am, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Nov 29, 5:59 pm, "xzzy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>K. Gringioni.
>>
>>>>>>Dumbass
>>
>>>>>>and further
>>
>>>>>>Marion Jones,
>>
>>>>>> Virenque, Festina, . . .
>>
>>>>>> the tour of france for removing from the results, racers who admit to
>>>>>>racing drugged, but not removing france's racers convicted of racing the tof
>>>>>>drugged
>>
>>>>>> the tour of france for changing the results of a drug test in order
>>>>>>remove from the results, Floyd Landis, because an American cyclist had won
>>>>>>their country's race for the 8th year in a row.
>>
>>>>>Dumbasses -
>>
>>>>>LemonD (and OJ Simpson) stand out from the rest because all those
>>>>>examples you all give, while being excellent specimens of sporting
>>>>>disgrace, all sullied their reputations with actions performed
>>>>>*during* their career.
>>
>>>>>LemonD (and OJ) are unique in that they had exceptionally stellar
>>>>>careers, then blackened their reputations with jackassian behavior
>>>>>well after they had retired.
>>
>>>>>I'm sure there are other examples of this phenomenon, but I can't, at
>>>>>the moment, think of others who have done it as publicly.
>>
>>>>>Any other examples? Buehler?
>>
>>>>>thanks,
>>
>>>>>K. Gringioni.
>>
>>>>I use to think that too until I listened to the phone call LeMond
>>>>surreptitiously recorded between him and Lance's Oaklay agent Stephanie
>>>>McIlvain where McIlvain clearly indicated she heard Lance admit to using
>>>> drugs in that hospital room. She has no motive to lie about her bread
>>>>and butter client.
>>
>>>>She also implicated Hincapie in being a big-time doper and said his baby
>>>>would probably turn out deformed from all the drugs he did. It was
>>>>pretty funny stuff.
>>
>>>>Prior to hearing that phone call, LeMond came across as a jealous
>>>>bagpipe. After listening to it, LeMond comes across as a one-man
>>>>Woodward & Bernstein show.
>>
>>>Lemond is a jealous bagpipe who is lucky he didn't dope when he could
>>>be caught-- can't ride in the Giro, wins the Tour in the same year?
>>
>>>Give us a break.
>>
>>>If the guy next to you can dope with little-to-no fear of being
>>>caught, the fault is with the rule makers.
>>
>>>"Cleansing Sport for corporate sponsorship". Go Enron! --D-y
>>
>>LeMond did in fact ride in the Giro when he won the Tour in his
>>coomeback year of 1989. If you recall, he got like 2nd in the Giro time
>>trial, but up until that time was having a miserable Giro, most likely
>>because he was a bit overweight and underraced.
>>
>>EPO wasn't even in use back then, so what drugs was he doing?
>>
>>Also, even if LeMond were jealous, that doesn't nullify the content of
>>the phone call with McIlvain.
>>
>>You sound like you're just ****** off because Floyd got caught.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> hey, talkin' literally, b vitamins and iron means b vitamins and
> iron. what about not so literally, and more primitive than epo.
>
> Still no responses from greg or "anyone else" in my email.
It's just supposition that will never be proven, so what's the point of
this guessing game?
On Dec 3, 2:32 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
> gym.gravity wrote:
> > Vagilla, buddy:
>
> > Also, the fix for anemia is actually iron injections. EPO wouldn't
> > have
> > even worked that quickly (it takes over a week for EPO to work), so
> > we
> > can rule out EPO injection for the Giro time trial performance.
>
> > Iron injections are going to work that fast? was his crit documented
> > or just his hemoglobin?
>
> > My theory is still holding.
>
> You don't even know what LeMond's hemoglobin or iron levels were (and
> neither does he), so your premise that he was anemic is little more than
> a guess.
>
> Why would you put stock into a self-diagnosis by LeMond - a guy who
> claimed he had to quit because of some bizarre blood disease that we all
> know he didn't have.
>
> Years later, he claims the real reason he couldn't keep up was because
> everyone was using EPO, thereby invalidating the "symptoms" for his
> so-called mitochondrial blood disease.
>
> So, no, your theory means nothing. For all we know, LeMond was just
> tired or had low blood sugar.
>
> Magilla
my theory involves his coaches telling him he was iron deficiency
anemic, telling him they were injecting him with "a complex of iron
and b vitamin" and injecting him with something not quite "a complex
of iron and b vitamin" but very strictly similar, wrapped up in a
ribbon of protein. after all, isn't his disease becasue his immune
system has broken tollerance towards some antigen in his muscles or
nerves going to muscles?
On Dec 3, 2:39 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
> gym.gravity wrote:
> > On Nov 30, 12:31 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>[email protected] wrote:
>
> >>>On Nov 30, 2:10 am, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> >>>>>On Nov 29, 5:59 pm, "xzzy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>K. Gringioni.
>
> >>>>>>Dumbass
>
> >>>>>>and further
>
> >>>>>>Marion Jones,
>
> >>>>>> Virenque, Festina, . . .
>
> >>>>>> the tour of france for removing from the results, racers who admit to
> >>>>>>racing drugged, but not removing france's racers convicted of racing the tof
> >>>>>>drugged
>
> >>>>>> the tour of france for changing the results of a drug test in order
> >>>>>>remove from the results, Floyd Landis, because an American cyclist had won
> >>>>>>their country's race for the 8th year in a row.
>
> >>>>>Dumbasses -
>
> >>>>>LemonD (and OJ Simpson) stand out from the rest because all those
> >>>>>examples you all give, while being excellent specimens of sporting
> >>>>>disgrace, all sullied their reputations with actions performed
> >>>>>*during* their career.
>
> >>>>>LemonD (and OJ) are unique in that they had exceptionally stellar
> >>>>>careers, then blackened their reputations with jackassian behavior
> >>>>>well after they had retired.
>
> >>>>>I'm sure there are other examples of this phenomenon, but I can't, at
> >>>>>the moment, think of others who have done it as publicly.
>
> >>>>>Any other examples? Buehler?
>
> >>>>>thanks,
>
> >>>>>K. Gringioni.
>
> >>>>I use to think that too until I listened to the phone call LeMond
> >>>>surreptitiously recorded between him and Lance's Oaklay agent Stephanie
> >>>>McIlvain where McIlvain clearly indicated she heard Lance admit to using
> >>>> drugs in that hospital room. She has no motive to lie about her bread
> >>>>and butter client.
>
> >>>>She also implicated Hincapie in being a big-time doper and said his baby
> >>>>would probably turn out deformed from all the drugs he did. It was
> >>>>pretty funny stuff.
>
> >>>>Prior to hearing that phone call, LeMond came across as a jealous
> >>>>bagpipe. After listening to it, LeMond comes across as a one-man
> >>>>Woodward & Bernstein show.
>
> >>>Lemond is a jealous bagpipe who is lucky he didn't dope when he could
> >>>be caught-- can't ride in the Giro, wins the Tour in the same year?
>
> >>>Give us a break.
>
> >>>If the guy next to you can dope with little-to-no fear of being
> >>>caught, the fault is with the rule makers.
>
> >>>"Cleansing Sport for corporate sponsorship". Go Enron! --D-y
>
> >>LeMond did in fact ride in the Giro when he won the Tour in his
> >>coomeback year of 1989. If you recall, he got like 2nd in the Giro time
> >>trial, but up until that time was having a miserable Giro, most likely
> >>because he was a bit overweight and underraced.
>
> >>EPO wasn't even in use back then, so what drugs was he doing?
>
> >>Also, even if LeMond were jealous, that doesn't nullify the content of
> >>the phone call with McIlvain.
>
> >>You sound like you're just ****** off because Floyd got caught.
>
> >>Thanks,
>
> >>Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > hey, talkin' literally, b vitamins and iron means b vitamins and
> > iron. what about not so literally, and more primitive than epo.
>
> > Still no responses from greg or "anyone else" in my email.
>
> It's just supposition that will never be proven, so what's the point of
> this guessing game?
>
> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
what if he now carries an epigenetic fingerprint (in his immune
system) of this injection? similar to the way a vaccine works?
On Dec 3, 2:39 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
> It's just supposition that will never be proven, so what's the point of
> this guessing game?
>
> Magilla
On Dec 1, 9:47 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Dec 2, 12:20 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Does it bother you maybe just a little that LNDD's bad
> > Landis test was backed up by some fine and thorough ass-covering retro-
> > testing? When "problems with chain of control" were found IRT Landis'
> > specimens?
>
> That argument was not one presented by Landis' defense team
It is interesting that from the very first Landis has been saying that
he NEVER used dope. It is also interesting that Eddy Merckx was
winning and winning and winning and was threatened to stay away from
certain races or suffer the consequences. He went anyway and somehow
was found to be using drugs. He has maintained that it was a setup.
Ain't it also funny that the French were outraged that another
American had won their race? Especially someone like Landis who is so
perfectly straight forward and honest. If he HAD been doping he would
have said so.
On Dec 2, 7:17 am, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> And people in the industry are usually so shallow and spineless they do
> whatever Lance wants.
After all - Lance has so much power - wait a minute - what power was
that again?
On Dec 3, 10:29 am, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> LemonD succeeded in recording a phone call with Stephanie McIlvain, one
> of Lance's closest business agents. She has NO REASON to lie about him.
>
> Yet she admitted she heard LA say in that hospital room he took banned
> substances for years.
Then by all means let's see your references pertaining to that.
> This is huge circumstantial evidence. It would send most people to jail
> if it were the only evidence in a criminal trial.
You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about do you?
In article
<[email protected]
egroups.com>,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> My point with that was "what can you believe"? The web is very
> tangled, you know? Some people believe jailhouse "confessions".
I don't even believe jailhouse pleas of innocence.
gym.gravity wrote:
> On Dec 3, 2:32 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>gym.gravity wrote:
>>
>>>Vagilla, buddy:
>>
>>>Also, the fix for anemia is actually iron injections. EPO wouldn't
>>>have
>>>even worked that quickly (it takes over a week for EPO to work), so
>>>we
>>>can rule out EPO injection for the Giro time trial performance.
>>
>>>Iron injections are going to work that fast? was his crit documented
>>>or just his hemoglobin?
>>
>>>My theory is still holding.
>>
>>You don't even know what LeMond's hemoglobin or iron levels were (and
>>neither does he), so your premise that he was anemic is little more than
>>a guess.
>>
>>Why would you put stock into a self-diagnosis by LeMond - a guy who
>>claimed he had to quit because of some bizarre blood disease that we all
>>know he didn't have.
>>
>>Years later, he claims the real reason he couldn't keep up was because
>>everyone was using EPO, thereby invalidating the "symptoms" for his
>>so-called mitochondrial blood disease.
>>
>>So, no, your theory means nothing. For all we know, LeMond was just
>>tired or had low blood sugar.
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> my theory involves his coaches telling him he was iron deficiency
> anemic, telling him they were injecting him with "a complex of iron
> and b vitamin" and injecting him with something not quite "a complex
> of iron and b vitamin" but very strictly similar, wrapped up in a
> ribbon of protein. after all, isn't his disease becasue his immune
> system has broken tollerance towards some antigen in his muscles or
> nerves going to muscles?
Dude,
So let me get this straight - you are saying Rene Wenzel owns a rubber
Otto Jacome mask?
On Nov 29, 10:49 am, Kurgan Gringioni <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> With the exception of OJ Simpson, I don't know that any athlete can
> hold a candle to LemonD when it comes to being unable to retire
> gracefully.
>
I agree. Greg L. must be very jealous of Kurgan's graceful
retirement.
On Dec 3, 10:29 am, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> > On Dec 2, 7:17 am, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> >>>On Dec 1, 8:34 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>Miguel Indurain....Delgado, Mayo, Heras...what a disgrace. The fact
> >>>>that Indurain doesn't speak badly of his convicted Spanish boys says a
> >>>>lot about what Indurain thinks about doping.
>
> >>>>LemonD is definitely jealous of Lance. There's little doubt about that.
>
> >>>Oh yeah. That's what I don't like about his little crusade. He claims
> >>>he's doing it for racing, but that's a load of crock. The extreme era
> >>>of EPO abuse came before LANCE won a grand tour.
>
> >>>>According to your metric, Lance is more of a tool for going after people
> >>>>who he feels slighted him - like trying to get Franke Andreu fired from
> >>>>his Tour gig on OLN for asking an "unauthorized question."
>
> >>>LANCE isn't exactly a saint himself. I agree, he's extremely
> >>>vindictive. But, IMO, his behavior pales in comparison to LemonD's.
>
> >>>One of the reasons I dislike LemonD so much is I used to really look
> >>>up to that guy. He's been incredibly disappointing. What a small
> >>>little person he is. LANCE? I never had any illusions about him. He
> >>>always seemed to be an arrogant ****, so when he turned out to be one,
> >>>it was par for the course.
>
> >>>Obviously, your mileage may vary.
>
> >>>thanks,
>
> >>>K. Gringioni.
>
> >>-----------
>
> >>LemonD's behavior is actually less egregious.
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > LemonD should've just stayed out of it all. But he was too jealous.
>
> > In the end, what good did he do? Nothing. Everything would've happened
> > the same w/out him. He only succeeded in bringing down his own image.
>
> > thanks,
>
> > K. Gringioni.
>
> LemonD succeeded in recording a phone call with Stephanie McIlvain, one
> of Lance's closest business agents. She has NO REASON to lie about him.
>
> Yet she admitted she heard LA say in that hospital room he took banned
> substances for years.
>
> This is huge circumstantial evidence. It would send most people to jail
> if it were the only evidence in a criminal trial.
<snip>
Dumbass -
That is a bs statement.
That sort of thing would never be allowed in court, therefore it
wouldn't put anyone in jail. A wiretap is not admissable unless the
prosecution has a court order authorizing the wiretap. The exception
is for terrorist cases under the Patriot Act.
On Dec 3, 4:24 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> Ain't it also funny that the French were outraged that another
> American had won their race?
dumbass,
maybe the french prime minister phoned the LNDD to frame landis ?
the ASO runs a business and it doesn't help their business when a
rider in the tour tests positive, especially if it's the winner and
the official title remains in limbo for over a year.
> Especially someone like Landis who is so
> perfectly straight forward and honest. If he HAD been doping he would
> have said so.
On Dec 3, 4:26 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Dec 2, 7:17 am, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
> > And people in the industry are usually so shallow and spineless they do
> > whatever Lance wants.
> After all - Lance has so much power - wait a minute - what power was
> that again?
The power to keep sloping top tube racing bikes off the market of
course!
"Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>> LemonD succeeded in recording a phone call with Stephanie McIlvain, one
>> of Lance's closest business agents. She has NO REASON to lie about him.
>>
>> Yet she admitted she heard LA say in that hospital room he took banned
>> substances for years.
>>
>> This is huge circumstantial evidence. It would send most people to jail
>> if it were the only evidence in a criminal trial.
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> That is a bs statement.
>
> That sort of thing would never be allowed in court, therefore it
> wouldn't put anyone in jail. A wiretap is not admissable unless the
> prosecution has a court order authorizing the wiretap. The exception
> is for terrorist cases under the Patriot Act.
>
> I'll post links backing this up if you like.
Please do. Are you certain that "that sort of thing would never be allowed
in court" applies to both criminal _and_ civil courts?
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:492371eb-e0ab-44ec-84c7-ede29e88d2ea@w28g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 3, 4:24 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>> Especially someone like Landis who is so
>> perfectly straight forward and honest. If he HAD been doping he would
>> have said so.
>
> that was you said about jeanson.
Funny how the last B sample tested outside of France couldn't duplicate
their findings. And also funny that they decided to "retest" it in the
French lab so that they could find the B test positive.
Seems like the sort of science that appeals to you and your kind.
[email protected] wrote:
> On Dec 3, 10:29 am, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>LemonD succeeded in recording a phone call with Stephanie McIlvain, one
>>of Lance's closest business agents. She has NO REASON to lie about him.
>>
>>Yet she admitted she heard LA say in that hospital room he took banned
>>substances for years.
>
>
> Then by all means let's see your references pertaining to that.
>
>
>>This is huge circumstantial evidence. It would send most people to jail
>>if it were the only evidence in a criminal trial.
>
>
> You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about do you?
The tape recorded phone call is what it is. What are you talking about?
Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>>
>>> LemonD succeeded in recording a phone call with Stephanie McIlvain, one
>>> of Lance's closest business agents. She has NO REASON to lie about
>>> him.
>>>
>>> Yet she admitted she heard LA say in that hospital room he took banned
>>> substances for years.
>>>
>>> This is huge circumstantial evidence. It would send most people to jail
>>> if it were the only evidence in a criminal trial.
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>>
>> That is a bs statement.
>>
>> That sort of thing would never be allowed in court, therefore it
>> wouldn't put anyone in jail. A wiretap is not admissable unless the
>> prosecution has a court order authorizing the wiretap. The exception
>> is for terrorist cases under the Patriot Act.
>>
>> I'll post links backing this up if you like.
>
>
> Please do. Are you certain that "that sort of thing would never be
> allowed in court" applies to both criminal _and_ civil courts?
>
There is generally is no 'test' for whether a tape recorded phone call
would be admissible in any court other than a relevancy test.
gym.gravity wrote:
> On Dec 3, 2:39 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>gym.gravity wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 30, 12:31 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Nov 30, 2:10 am, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>On Nov 29, 5:59 pm, "xzzy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>K. Gringioni.
>>
>>>>>>>>Dumbass
>>
>>>>>>>>and further
>>
>>>>>>>>Marion Jones,
>>
>>>>>>>>Virenque, Festina, . . .
>>
>>>>>>>> the tour of france for removing from the results, racers who admit to
>>>>>>>>racing drugged, but not removing france's racers convicted of racing the tof
>>>>>>>>drugged
>>
>>>>>>>> the tour of france for changing the results of a drug test in order
>>>>>>>>remove from the results, Floyd Landis, because an American cyclist had won
>>>>>>>>their country's race for the 8th year in a row.
>>
>>>>>>>Dumbasses -
>>
>>>>>>>LemonD (and OJ Simpson) stand out from the rest because all those
>>>>>>>examples you all give, while being excellent specimens of sporting
>>>>>>>disgrace, all sullied their reputations with actions performed
>>>>>>>*during* their career.
>>
>>>>>>>LemonD (and OJ) are unique in that they had exceptionally stellar
>>>>>>>careers, then blackened their reputations with jackassian behavior
>>>>>>>well after they had retired.
>>
>>>>>>>I'm sure there are other examples of this phenomenon, but I can't, at
>>>>>>>the moment, think of others who have done it as publicly.
>>
>>>>>>>Any other examples? Buehler?
>>
>>>>>>>thanks,
>>
>>>>>>>K. Gringioni.
>>
>>>>>>I use to think that too until I listened to the phone call LeMond
>>>>>>surreptitiously recorded between him and Lance's Oaklay agent Stephanie
>>>>>>McIlvain where McIlvain clearly indicated she heard Lance admit to using
>>>>>>drugs in that hospital room. She has no motive to lie about her bread
>>>>>>and butter client.
>>
>>>>>>She also implicated Hincapie in being a big-time doper and said his baby
>>>>>>would probably turn out deformed from all the drugs he did. It was
>>>>>>pretty funny stuff.
>>
>>>>>>Prior to hearing that phone call, LeMond came across as a jealous
>>>>>>bagpipe. After listening to it, LeMond comes across as a one-man
>>>>>>Woodward & Bernstein show.
>>
>>>>>Lemond is a jealous bagpipe who is lucky he didn't dope when he could
>>>>>be caught-- can't ride in the Giro, wins the Tour in the same year?
>>
>>>>>Give us a break.
>>
>>>>>If the guy next to you can dope with little-to-no fear of being
>>>>>caught, the fault is with the rule makers.
>>
>>>>>"Cleansing Sport for corporate sponsorship". Go Enron! --D-y
>>
>>>>LeMond did in fact ride in the Giro when he won the Tour in his
>>>>coomeback year of 1989. If you recall, he got like 2nd in the Giro time
>>>>trial, but up until that time was having a miserable Giro, most likely
>>>>because he was a bit overweight and underraced.
>>
>>>>EPO wasn't even in use back then, so what drugs was he doing?
>>
>>>>Also, even if LeMond were jealous, that doesn't nullify the content of
>>>>the phone call with McIlvain.
>>
>>>>You sound like you're just ****** off because Floyd got caught.
>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>
>>>>Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>hey, talkin' literally, b vitamins and iron means b vitamins and
>>>iron. what about not so literally, and more primitive than epo.
>>
>>>Still no responses from greg or "anyone else" in my email.
>>
>>It's just supposition that will never be proven, so what's the point of
>>this guessing game?
>>
>>Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> what if he now carries an epigenetic fingerprint (in his immune
> system) of this injection? similar to the way a vaccine works?
gym.gravity wrote:
> On Dec 3, 2:39 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>It's just supposition that will never be proven, so what's the point of
>>this guessing game?
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> Tyler was a load of fun, wasn't it?
I'm not so sure I understand the relevancy to Tylenol's case.
[email protected] wrote:
> On Dec 1, 9:47 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 2, 12:20 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Does it bother you maybe just a little that LNDD's bad
>>>Landis test was backed up by some fine and thorough ass-covering retro-
>>>testing? When "problems with chain of control" were found IRT Landis'
>>>specimens?
>>
>>That argument was not one presented by Landis' defense team
>
>
> It is interesting that from the very first Landis has been saying that
> he NEVER used dope. It is also interesting that Eddy Merckx was
> winning and winning and winning and was threatened to stay away from
> certain races or suffer the consequences. He went anyway and somehow
> was found to be using drugs. He has maintained that it was a setup.
>
> Ain't it also funny that the French were outraged that another
> American had won their race? Especially someone like Landis who is so
> perfectly straight forward and honest. If he HAD been doping he would
> have said so.
According to your conspiracy theory, the French lab would have framed
Lance years ago if that's actually how they operated.
Think of all the Tour de France urine samples they had from Lance over
those 7 years to sabotage! And then when Floyd comes along, and wins
the race with panache, they decide to frame him? PUH-LEEZ
Can't you see these Euro riders are dirty as hell?
