Is road cycling dangerous?

Discussion in 'Road Cycling' started by sammyjay, Nov 15, 2012.

  1. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    We just had a local arrested and charged with his 11th DUI. Convicted something like 8 of the previous times. Has done multiple jail sentences and had no license, no insurance. And no brain.

    There are those that are so broken they cannot be fixed. They do not belong among us.
     


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    Just...fuck it.

    Not guilty verdict for motorist who killed two bicyclists in crash leads group to hold rally



    Published: March 10, 2016 - 11:37 AM | Updated: March 10, 2016 - 11:38 AM

    Not guilty verdict for motorist who killed two bicyclists in crash leads group to hold rally March 10,2016 04:38 PM GMT Beacon Journal Publishing Co.

    A bicyclist advocacy group plans to host a rally in Brecksville on Saturday to raise awareness about what its members perceive as mistreatment by motorists.

    “There is a culture of forgiveness for careless motorists when the opposite should be happening,” said Bike Cleveland Executive Director Jacob VanSickle. “We need to establish a culture that insists on responsibility for one’s actions.”

    The rally, which is being held at 11 a.m. in Brecksville’s Town Center, comes in the wake of the acquittal last month of Timothy Wolf, who was found not guilty by a jury on two counts of vehicular homicide in Garfield Heights Municipal Court. Wolf was accused of killing two bicyclists, Matthew Billings and Jim Lambert, in a September crash. Wolf told investigators he could not see the bicyclists because the sun’s glare temporarily blocked his vision.

    The families and friends of Billings and Lambert are expected to speak at the rally, and Bike Cleveland will share bicycle safety tips with attendees.

    VanSickle said motorists too often are given asylum because of generations of car culture and because the public attempts to blame bicyclists in crashes between cars and bikes.

    “The value of a person is not diminished merely because they choose an alternative mode of transportation to a car,” VanSickle said. “People on bikes are valuable members of our society: mothers and fathers, friends and family.”

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  3. CAMPYBOB

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    This is what your life is worth.
     
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    Timothy Wolf, man charged for fatal bike crash that killed 2, acquitted of all charges
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    BRECKSVILLE, Ohio - A man charged for his involvement in a fatal bike crash was acquitted in court on Thursday.

    According to Attorney Hector G. Martinez at The Martinez Firm, the jury for Timothy Wolf's case returned with a not guilty verdict. Wolf was acquitted of all charges, including aggravated vehicular homicide and operation in willful or wanton disregard of safety.

    The deadly crash happened on Sept. 17, 2015 when a group of bike riders were struck by a pick-up-truck on Snowville Road.

    Matthew Billings, 33, died at the scene of the crash. James Lambert, 52, died on Sept. 25.

    Bike Cleveland was not happy with the verdict, stating the defense 'attempted to complicate and distort a simple truth: two people are dead because of the reckless actions of another.'

    Read the full statement from Bike Cleveland here:

    TIMOTHY WOLF KILLED TWO PEOPLE – FOUND NOT GUILTY
    It has been a sobering experience sitting in on the trial over Timothy Wolf, the driver charged with two counts of vehicular homicide, and one count of wanton disregard of public safety over the deaths of Matthew Billings and Jim Lambert in Brecksville last September. Today, the Jury returned a not guilty verdict on the case. Throughout proceedings, the defense attempted to complicate and distort a simple truth: two people are dead because of the reckless actions of another. They achieved this by citing mitigating circumstances such as sun glare and repeatedly calling the crash an “accident.”

    More insidious arguments were put forth that not only alleviated blame from Wolf, but shifted it to the deceased victims themselves. Were they wearing brightly colored clothes? Did they have lights? How fast were they going? These subversive tactics successfully undermined the fact that Wolf made an illegal left turn by failing to yield to oncoming traffic, and had he not made that turn, Billings and Lambert would still be alive; a fact Mr. Wolf admitted to during his testimony in the trial.

    We vehemently disagree with the defense’s tactics because if we were to follow them to their logical conclusion, there would be a mandate that says all cars be painted a bright color and have daytime running lights to improve their visibility. The cyclists were riding within their rights and within the law when they were struck by Mr. Wolf. Mr. Wolf broke the law, not the cyclists. Mr. Wolf made an error in judgement when he made an illegal left turn, not the cyclists.

    All too often the dangerous actions of people in cars are diminished, both through passive cultural means inherited over generations of car culture, and actively by those who attempt to shift the blame to the victims of crashes that could have been avoided if only people took the act of driving a 4000lbs vehicle capable of great destruction more seriously.

    Throughout the proceedings, Mr. Wolf appeared visibly remorseful, and the narrative of “punishing a remorseful man doesn’t do anyone any good” will surely ensue. We disagree. While we wish Mr. Wolf no ill-will, being sorry for your actions does not excuse you from being accountable to them. By failing to acknowledge Mr. Wolf’s guilt, we have once more reinforced the culture of blamelessness that exacerbates a serious problem our society faces: thousands of people die every year on our roads. In 2015, twenty-six people on bikes lost their lives, this is the highest number in 20 years. This has to stop!

    We thank the Brecksville Police and Brecksville City Prosecutor Sergio DiGeronimo for their professionalism and diligence with this case, and again express our condolences to the friends and family of Matt, Jim, and all the others who were impacted by this tragedy.

    It is seriously regrettable that justice was not served in a way that the people we know would have liked, and we can only hope that although the verdict was “not-guilty”, that Mr. Wolf, and anyone aware of this case has been fundamentally altered by it. You carry a serious burden of responsibility when you get behind the wheel. You must take it seriously.
     
  5. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    I'm not a litigious man...ordinarily. In this case, however...
     
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    Not a single outraged comment on how fucking retarded Ohio drivers/voters/jury members are??? Not one?

    I hang my head in shame.
     
  7. Weatherby

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    I have done Brevets with these four and a couple weeks earlier was on a 400K with two of them (Lynn and Mike) who did the "short" 300K portion of the ride. (I don't remember meeting one of the riders but we were one a brevet together)

    They are extremely safe, skillful, and careful riders. Flashing lights, reflectors, and 'rando' reflector vests. These are accomplished riders. If I remember one discussion with Lynn, she successfully completed PacTour Elite and I think I read that she had had some 12 and 24 hour records in the past. PacTour Elite is one way to qualify for Race Across America and basically entails riding 16 straight back to back double centuries at no less than 15 mph average speed. I had only ridden with Mike once but to show what kind of guy he is, he remembered me. At the early Rando start time I was sitting trying to warm up in the hotel, he was outside talking jovially and he bangs on the window to me and smiles hugely and mouths hello. In case nobody knows, Mike Dayton was the President of Randonneurs USA for the past 3 years and has been a bicycle safety advocate.

    The lady who mowed them down is a criminal on probation for felony drug possession who inexplicably was not tested for any substance abuse after she ran these fine cyclists down. This crash really has me spooked.

    I had an 18 wheeler pull out of a driveway right in front of me the other day. I was in the middle of a hard interval on my TT bike doing 29-30 mph and although I was not weaving, I was straining hard riding to the right of the fog line on the shoulder. I luckily jammed the brakes on and veered into the grassy crap. Low and behold, the driver pulls over about a mile up (the property was a horse farm and he was doing something with hay). I asked him if he saw me. He says, "I saw you. You were riding like an asshole" I say...you saw me? "Yes, you cyclists are assholes" and he walks away from me. I follow him and he says "Don't you dare come after me" and I tell him there were no other vehicles on the road, you almost kill me, and that I had the right of way. I told him I just barely escaped getting run over. He calls me more names and says he did not hit me. I said yes and fortunately I slammed the brakes on and just missed your truck. He walks away from me. Another guy pulls up with the front end loader with forklift attachment and wants to know what was going on. He was the owner. I told him the whole incident and from his perspective, it was no big deal because I was not actually hit. I told him that he needed to fire that driver because if he had killed me, my estate would own his horse farm. I was relatively calm and did not curse (surprisingly). I should have photo'd the truck and plate and maybe reported him to his commercial insurance carrier. I don't know what else to have done.
     
  8. Weatherby

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    It is like open season on cyclists.

    In some states, the penalty for negligently running over a cyclist? A ticket. $49
     
  9. oportosanto

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    That is a really sad picture, what happens to a driver to hit so many bikers like that? We should get to the bottom of this to prevent it from happening in the future...
     
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    My advice as to the course of action would have resulted in dental work for the driver and a misdemeanor charge for simple assault (possibly reduced to disorderly conduct?) for you.
     
  11. rz3300

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    Anything is dangerous when it comes down to it. The best thing that you can do is take precaution and account for yourself and hope that others are doing the same, which is certainly not always the case though as we all know. I would say that with experience comes the ability to avoid these risks.
     
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    What a moronic bot. GTFO.
     
  13. ZXD22

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    If you drive like an idiot in the middle of the road, "following the yellow brick road" then yes it is very dangerous and you could get killed for acting like an idiot. If you obey the laws and you are a safe road cycler, then it wouldn't be very dangerous at all depending on how safe you ride.
     
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    WTF? Did you even bother reading about all the above discussed riders that were doing absolutely NOTHING wrong and yet were killed or injured while cycling?
     
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    Same stupid argument people have about driving....Some think "i'm a good driver, i'll be safe"...We can never control the other persons driving.
     
  16. Richard Franklin

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    I think some Cyclist don't always use the best judgment and aren't defensive enough. Just last week, I saw multiple cyclist riding on a 55 mph route(where people easily go 70 mph) at 5:30 in the afternoon in glare....Their are so many slow country roads to get to the same destination, but people like to do thing "because they can". These cyclist aren't breaking any laws(except the fools I see driving the wrong way),but are headlines waiting to happen. I can see it now "Texting teen pleads to manslaughter in cyclist death".
     
  17. rajeshcycles

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    Well, I don't think that cycling is dangerous if you follow the rules. We just need to take care of the rules made by the government. I mean that our habit matters and it's our responsibility to take care of ourselves. Cycling is just safe.
     
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    There's risk in everything you do. Before cycling, I did some motocross. So by comparison, I feel a lot safer on my road bike. A lot of it depends on how much risk you take, do you ride on roads or on trails, etc. I have always wondered about road vs. MTB. I recently read something (can't remember where) that said while road injuries can be more severe (due to cars), MTB injuries are much more common - and they concluded that overall, MTB was the more dangerous discipline. Thought that was interesting.
     
  19. Belovedad

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    Anything can be dangerous so some degree. That is why you take precautions. It's pretty common to see road cycling these days and everyone just needs to be more cautious to prevent any casualties.
     
  20. Shark425

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    Yes, it is. So are many other activities. Use good judgement, pay attention to things around you, watch out for the "other guy", and you shouldn't have to worry any more than most other endeavors.
     
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