I stand corrected, I should have used the term "relatively" The Bianchi is relatively expensive
compared to the gamut of df bikes, but the Phantom is relatively inexpensive for a recumbent.
However, I don't think your tangent actually is a tangent at all. How are trikes, your experience
with fit related to various df bikes, and advocating owning both styles of bike related to the
question posted, which was "Can I expect similar speeds on my bent as compared to my df?"? I gave
my opinions on this question, while you went on a multi topic ramble, never answering the
question posted.
"Victor Kan" <
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> baronn1 wrote:
> > Typically, it takes many hundreds of miles to train your bent legs. And
you
> > are correct that thePahntom is much heavier, with a less efficient drive train. So, you got off
> > a fairly expensive, very light road bike, onto a heavier bike that uses different muscles than
> > what you've been
conditioning
> > these many years.I
>
> You should also describe the Phantom as a "fairly expensive" bike, being priced at $1450 with low
> end components. Anyway, here's a long reply that at least tangentially has something to do with
> the original post
.
>
> My experience these past few months has been in the opposite direction of most folks in this
> newsgroup. Back in May, I purchased an upright bike, a Specialized Sequoia Sport road bike with
> various, alleged comfort features (some are really to make it easier to manufacture and stock
> fewer models to cover a wider range of potential buyers), like:
>
> - carbon fork with some shock absorbing elastomer embedded in the middle of each blade
> - suspension seat post
> - Body Geometry (tm) saddle with center channel cutaway and substantial, though firm, padding
> - anatomic handle bars and cushy tape
> - two sets of brake levers (the usual Shimano dual-control brake+shifter levers, plus MTB style
> levers on the flats
> - longer chain stays
> - adjustable stem
> - compact frame geometry, good for fitting to shorter riders
> - road triple crank
>
> For the most part, I'm loving it, confirming that my discomfort with my first "real bike", a Trek
> 2x6-speed road bike, was likely more due to bad sizing than anything else. It was a 56cm frame,
> and a little to big for me, while the Specialized is a "compact" frame in the medium size, which
> is supposedly the equivalent of a 54cm.
>
> That's not to say that I don't also love my recumbent (a Wicks Trimuter tadpole trike, and before
> that, a Linear Mach III, which I gave to my cousin since I stopped riding it once I got the
> trike). I do love it. But I have different goals for the two HPVs.
>
> A few years ago, I gave up cycling because of pain, from pretty much all over--back, neck,
> shoulders, arms, hands, butt, 'nads, you name it, it hurt. Then a few months later I got the bug
> again and decided to "do it right" and get properly sized for a bike. Then I heard about
> recumbents and figured I'd try something completely different instead.
>
> After trying a few bikes at Larry Black's annual Bent Event in Mt. Airy, MD, I fell in love with
> the Linear Mach III CLWB. When I got it home, I took it out on my usual bike commuting route, 10
> miles of rolling hills in both directions. I was able to do it at pretty much the same average
> speed, maybe one MPH less. I quickly got to the same average.
>
> Then I tried a local triker's Greenspeed GTR, fell in love with that ("gotta get me one of those!"
> was my reaction after about five seconds on the thing), and got a Wicks Trimuter clone of the GTS.
> Switching from the ~30 pound Mach III to the 50+ lb Trimuter (nominally 42 lbs stock, but I carry
> a bit too much stuff in the panniers, just because I can
, I started out at the same average
> speed instantly, and even gained one MPH eventually.
>
> The trike is wonderful for "just riding" (don't think about tipping over into traffic, ignoring
> most minor road hazards, etc.). It's wonderful for pulling G's in fast turns. It's amazing if
> there's a long, steep downhill where I can reach a very stable 40+ mph with the SRAM 3x7 hub in
> overdrive. It's great for towing a trailer or carrying loads. But the darned thing is bulky and
> heavy. When I get it to work I have to do a hysterical ballet of sorts to open both doors just to
> get the thing through the portal.
>
> So I wanted to get a more petite, lighter HPV (couldn't get much heavier than the
> Trimuter+panniers_full_of_stuff if I tried) that I could go faster with, and move around more
> easily, that didn't take up so much floor space. In looking around at what's available, I figured
> I'd be happy only with something like a Windcheetah, Trice Micro (though I might not fit into one
>
, a Catrike Speed, or on the bike front, a Reynolds T-Bone (gotta luv that USS!) or a Bacchetta
> Corsa (maybe a Giro) or a Volae Club (maybe a Tour).
>
> But the price tags were a bit on the high side, even for the lower end big+small wheel variants of
> the bikes. So I figured I'd go with my original plan of a few years ago and try an upright road
> bike that really fit me well.
>
> Well, the Sequoia Sport fit the bill. It's not a weight weenie kind of bike (I think it was like
> 25 or 26 pounds with all the gizmos). It fits me very well. The saddle pretty much works. I feel
> no butt pain (at least no different than recumbent butt), though I occasionally get a "nutcracker"
> kind of feeling that I hope to adjust away with some saddle realignment (yeah right! Dream on, I
> can hear everyone saying).
>
> And my hands do get numb if I keep them in the same position for a few miles, which is OK for my
> intended use of this bike, mainly for occasional short rides during the work day, or when I want
> to ride home on a day I drove into work, or where I rode the trike into work, but want to get home
> faster for some reason (like today where thunderstorms were threatening and I left work later than
> I should have).
>
> Yep, to get home faster. Short of having an all downhill route where the recumbent's aerodynamics
> easily win out over its weight and other inefficiency disadvantages, the upright road bike is
> significantly faster for me. I've been recumbent-only for years now, yet when I took my first
> rides on the upright, I was instantly at least 2 MPH faster over the same routes of rolling hills,
> no special training of "upright muscles" needed. Yes, my computers were calibrated right.
>
> I really did fly up hills vs. the trike. Some hills I'd have to work at to get up at reasonable
> speed on the trike I could almost coast up with the bike, and at higher speeds.
>
> Today I had special motivation with the thunder clouds blowing in and did a personal best on my
> commute route home, reaching 19.3 MPH average on the bike based on real clock time (I must have
> moved my wheel magnet when pumping the tires 'cuz the computer wasn't working properly tonight),
> whereas when I rode to work on the trike this morning, I eeked out a 15.1 MPH ride on the
> slightly easier route (about a mile longer, but fewer big hills) coming into work, based on
> auto-start ride time.
>
> Granted, I was really, really motivated to get home without being rained on--the last time I rode
> home in the rain on the Mach III, I was so "traumatized" that I didn't ride it for several months
> afterward.
>
> So what does all this rambling on mean?
>
> For me, and likely other folks, a relatively inexpensive, but properly fitting upright road bike
> is a good complement to a good recumbent that cost a heck of a lot more (about 3x in my case),
> weighs a lot more (2x in my case), with a less efficient chain line, but better aerodynamics and
> overall greater comfort.
>
> I've decided to platoon these two HPVs of mine. Ride one into work, ride the other one home. I
> think maintaining "recumbent muscles" along with "upright muscles" is working out well for me,
> improving my pedaling technique on both, and motivating me to ride more.
>
> Phew, that was a long post!
>
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