On May 28, 11:18 am, Bolwerk <
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> George Conklin wrote:
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> >> Joe the Aroma wrote:
> >>> "Amy Blankenship" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >>>> "Anymouse" <none> wrote in message
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> >>>>> "george conklin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >>>>>> "John Mara" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >>>>>>> george conklin wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> As Calcutta outlaws pedicabs, they are now fashionable with the
> > New
> >>>>>>>> Urbanist crowd. You can take home some stuff on one, if you agree
> > to
> >>>>>>>> walk next to it. That ought to please those who want to go back in
> >>>>>>>> time.
> >>>>>>> Pedicabs are popular enough in New York that the city council has
> >>>>>>> enacted regulations for them.
>
> >>>>>>>http://www.newsday.com/search/sns-ap-pedaling-rides,0,2759553.story
>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> John Mara
>
> >>>>>> Yes, just as the third world is getting rid of such exploitation of
> >>>>>> workers, NYC is starting up with its hazy visions of great the past
> > used
> >>>>>> to be.
>
> >>>>> "exploitation of workers"? Ridiculous! It's called capitalism and it's
> >>>>> not exploitative. I sometimes agree with you but your wrong this time.
> >>>> George only likes market forces when they encourage things he likes
> >>>> anyway...
> >>> Well doesn't everyone? That's the purpose of market forces... to
> > encourage
> >>> "things you like".
> >> Amy's characterization of George is hilariously apt. He's posted
> >> endorsing wealth redistribution away from cities. The justification?
> >> They apparently steal from the hinterlands. Somehow.
>
> > Poverty today is concentrated in rural areas. Cities have driven the price
> > of food down, down, down.
>
> In the U.S., places like Compton don't have poverty? Detroit? The Bronx?
>
> > I suggest you understand the demography of poverty these days, which you
> > obviously do not.
>
> > Here is an article by the President of the Southern Sociological Society:
>
> >http://www.ncsociology.org/sociationtoday/v42/wim.htm
>
> > Read it and stop blessing your own stupidity.
>
> I don't see any reason to open that URL. Even if "poverty today is
> concentrated in rural areas," you have to do better than call me stupid
> if you want to find a way to blame it on cities.
Yes, there's a lot of poverty in rural areas. And Yes, it is probably
a disproportional amount. But I think there are reasons for it. Some
are directly related to "the city" but some aren't. I'll give you a
few examples that you can use are you would like.
Say you have an anti-poverty program, such as a HUD Section 8
program. Say the program targets families at or below 50% of median
income. What exactly is median income and how are income limited
based on it? Some college professor, somewhere, is immediately going
to try to give me a definition of median income being a number where
half the families earn more and half earn less. Then, I would be
forced to point out that that is wrong. Median income has nothing to
do with what half or families earn. Wake up and smell the computer
program.
For a rural area, income limits based on "median income" use the
HIGHER of the county's median income OR the statewide, non-metro
median. So for very many rural counties, it's is the statewide median
that is used. Therefore, a significantly larger group than "half" is
below median income. In rich counties, like Westchester, a limit
kicks in so that under half of families are below AMI.
Another difference the gov't's "poverty" number is a national number.
In rural areas, it is cheaper to live and companies pay less. So
incomes are lower, even for the same lifestyle. So more people in the
rural areas are below poverty.
Saying all of that, I do agree that there's a LOT of poverty in rural
America. There's way too much of it. Come out here and visit the Rez
and see for yourself. Come here to Appalacia and take a look around.