????Originally Posted by bgoetz
Or do this, start a topic specific to this "power meter variations with temperature" stating you belief that a power meter will READ 10% different based on temp. and see what response you get. Prove me wrong...
I agree, there is no point arguing with someone who has such strong convictions about a Powertap's accuracy, that he ignores reference linked on the Powertap site to the contrary.Originally Posted by bgoetz
I am getting a bit bored with "batting this ball around". If someone else wants a chance to play, he is all your's
Originally Posted by RapDaddyo
Now I'm lost. First, I thought you were arguing that Felt could increase his FTP by 10% by increasing his cadence, a claim that I don't agree with anyway. Now, you are arguing that he will increase his FTP by 10% not due to increasing his cadence but due to power measurement error???
See what I mean? Your second paragraph does not in any way address anything I wrote.Originally Posted by WillemJM
Reading what is written and responding accordingly with respect:
Why is it absurd to expect a 10% increase in power from a person who focuses predominantly on body building with cycling as a second priority? Why is it absurd if he focuses on cycling as a first priority and at least pushes his cadence from the mid 60's to above 80 over a 6 month training period? Why is it absurd not to expect more than a 10% FTP improvement?
I'm listening and eager to learn?
To add to the above, 10% is not much. You can expect a 10% increase in power with doing nothing other than comparing Powertap readings with exactly the same effort, riding one day at 32F and the next at 80F due to the type of strain gauge they use. SRM is a little better, probably 8%. No matter how often you calibrate these units, the drift remains. We can go into exact factual details here if you want?
Try and reply rather than being insulting to divert the discussion and avoiding the subject matter.
Wait, wait, how do you do that?!Originally Posted by bgoetz
You do realize that article is 10 years old right?
DC rainmaker does some of the most complete reviews and comparisons on power meters that were created in THIS decade. Give his stuff a read, it has been discussed many times.
Now go back to making widgets or whatever it is you do, your annoying me and are officially being blocked from posts I can see
It's a bit comical when someone starts going on about powermeters but then reveal that they're completely oblivious to basic functions like zero offset.Originally Posted by bgoetz
So what if the fact that we do understand is what causes us to call you a delusional idiot?
I would guess when one zeros their Powermeter this accounts for any variability in temperature. Just a wild guess though
Better make sure you do that alone - Death Valley National Park has banned sporting activities in the park - no more Badwater 135 or Furnace Creek 508.RapDaddyo said:In the future, I'm going to do my FTP tests in July out at Death Valley, where the temps get to about 120F. Of course, the benefit of my PT error may be partially offset by the melting of my tires.
Just to reflect on the advice given to me was to improve my cadence above 80 and that would raise my FTP. I am not sure where the exact post is, but I believe the advice was as plain as this. Improved cadence = improved FTPOriginally Posted by WillemJM
Why is it absurd to expect a 10% increase in power from a person (It is me of who he speaks) who focuses predominantly on body building with cycling as a second priority? Why is it absurd if he focuses on cycling as a first priority and at least pushes his cadence from the mid 60's to above 80 over a 6 month training period? Why is it absurd not to expect more than a 10% FTP improvement?
While this may be true, I don't think Willem meant any harm. If there's anything I've learned from my time on the bike though it's that blanket statements yada yada well enough attempted diplomacy...Originally Posted by Felt_Rider
Just telling someone to spin faster without further explanation is careless advice...
Interesting. I am starting to find that this is me too. Especially with Threshold intervals or above. Something north of 90 rpm seems to make it more bearable for me.Originally Posted by danfoz
Note that I am not talking about FTP, but I also personally find I can produce more power at a lower perceived output for any duration using a higher cadence. This is me.
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