Drug Enforcement Agency: Methylphenidate (Ritalin)



On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 06:47:44 GMT, [email protected] (george of
the jungle) wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 22:17:43 +0100, jake <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:18:31 GMT, "Mark Probert"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:11:35 GMT, "Mark Probert"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> >news:[email protected]...
>>>> >
>>>> >Where is this?
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Olympic mountains WA
>>>
>>>It looked familiar.
>>>
>>>I lived in Steilacoom, WA while I was assigned to Ft. Lewis, WA, 1969-70. We
>>>rented a house on Puget Sound and it was known as party city.

>>
>>wow!
>>small world and all that
>>
>>:>)
>>
>>
>>>
>>>We went to Olympic National Park several times to go fishing.
>>>
>>>See: http://www.nps.gov/olym/wic/duplela.htm

>>
>>
>>I was not fit enough to go to upper lena but had to stay at lower lena
>>

>
>I was in Olympic Nat'l Park in the summer of 68 doing volunteer work
>and hiking. I fished the Elwa well upstream where trout were
>plenitful.


An absolutely unforgettable and breathtaking place
>
>-George
 
[email protected] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >Subject: Re: Drug Enforcement Agency: Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
> >From: Joe Parsons [email protected]
> >Date: 9/19/2003 4:09 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >
> >On 19 Sep 2003 20:06:26 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:
> >
> >>>Subject: Re: Drug Enforcement Agency: Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
> >>>From: Joe Parsons [email protected]
> >>>Date: 9/19/2003 8:04 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >>>Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >>>
> >>>On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:05:48 GMT, "F Troop" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>"Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>>> Read the last paragraph of the article you cite:
> >>>>> http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/cngrtest/ct051600.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When taken as prescribed, methylphenidate is safe and effective.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>The compliance rate amongst people who are prescribed psychotropic drugs

> is
> >>>>so low, that is a moot point.
> >>>
> >>>Please provide a cite for this statement.
> >>>
> >>>Joe Parsons
> >>
> >>It's all over the place, look it up.
> >>
> >>What world are you living in??
> >>
> >>Read away.
> >>
> >>http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-01-16-kids-drug_x.htm

> >
> >Oh. Right. McPaper (USA Today) as a primary source.

>
> That's correct, they print the news. In the case of Ritalin, *It *ain't purdy*
>
> >Did you bother to read that article, dear heart? If you had, you would have
> >learned that it did not substantiate Linda's assertion.

>
> Of course I read it. I replied to Jeff's post.


You did not read it, nitwit. It does NOT mention Ritalin.

You are pathetic.
 
[email protected] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >From: [email protected] (David Wright)
> >Date: 9/19/2003 6:46 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <[email protected]>
> >

>
> <snip>
>
> >Since there's now evidence that children treated with ritalin are much
> >less likely to become drug abusers later in life than those untreated,
> >exactly who are we protecting from what?

>
> No there isn't any new evidence, that's the debunkers twist. They added the
> untreated. There is MUCH evidence that those on Ritalin will move on to
> stronger drugs, and become addicted.



That is exactly the opposite of what the article YOU posted said. More
proof that all you ever learned was how to sift sand in the sand box.
 
jake <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:18:31 GMT, "Mark Probert"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:11:35 GMT, "Mark Probert"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >
> >> >Where is this?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Olympic mountains WA

> >
> >It looked familiar.
> >
> >I lived in Steilacoom, WA while I was assigned to Ft. Lewis, WA, 1969-70. We
> >rented a house on Puget Sound and it was known as party city.

>
> wow!
> small world and all that
>
> :>)
>
>
> >
> >We went to Olympic National Park several times to go fishing.
> >
> >See: http://www.nps.gov/olym/wic/duplela.htm

>
>
> I was not fit enough to go to upper lena but had to stay at lower lena


You missed a gorgeous lake.

Lower Lena was my day-trip fishing hole. I learned fly casting on the
Hamma Hamma, which means, in Nisqually, much fish.

It was, until I got there. :)
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:46:33 -0400, Mark D Morin
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 13:53:11 +0100, jake <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:06:41 GMT, [email protected] (PF Riley)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 06:10:32 +0100, jake <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 04:43:54 GMT, [email protected] (PF Riley)
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:32:24 GMT, [email protected] (David
>>>>>Wright) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>>Roger Schlafly <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>"jake" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>>>> no ..is this relevant to whether ritalin is nearly identical with
>>>>>>>> cocaine as the DEA says?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It is true, whether the DEA says it or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And yet another oracular pronouncement from Roger. How about some
>>>>>>chemical formulas for each substance, just for starters?
>>>>>
>>>>>Roger is a complete idiot and most anything he says is completely
>>>>>wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jake has demonstrated he is a complete idiot too.
>>>>>
>>>>>This pronouncement that methylphenidate and cocaine are "nearly
>>>>>identical" is another example of garbage spread about by anti-ADHD
>>>>>morons who do nothing but regurgitate nonsense they are fed by other
>>>>>morons whom they worship (e.g. Phyllis Schlafly) without questioning
>>>>>the motives and/or resources and/or credibility of said other morons.
>>>>>The cycle then continues unabated, as has the oft repeated ********
>>>>>that MMR contains thimerosal.
>>>>>
>>>>>Roger and Jake, please look:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.biopsychiatry.com/methamphetamine/index.html
>>>>>http://www.biopsychiatry.com/mdma/index.html
>>>>>http://www.biopsychiatry.com/methylphenidate/index.html
>>>>>http://www.biopsychiatry.com/cocaine/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>>Please note the fundamental structure of methamphetamine and its
>>>>>derivates MDMA and methylphenidate. Please explain how these
>>>>>relatively small secondary amines are "nearly identical" to cocaine, a
>>>>>large tertiary amine with a complex double ring.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or, check this page out, for, in the first frame, a good drawing of
>>>>>amphetamine, a primary amine, and cocaine, a tertiary amine. Nearly
>>>>>identical, huh?
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.chem.uic.edu/web1/234/CH22-23HO.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>the issue is not whether ritalin or cocaine have an identical
>>>>molecular structure..obviously if they did they would be the same.
>>>>the*effects* are nearly identical
>>>>
>>>>what part of this do you not understand?
>>>
>>>The part where you said "[R]italin is nearly identical with [sic]
>>>cocaine..."

>>
>>me?
>>I quoted the DEA
>>
>>the issue is the *effects* are identical

>
>Dose for dose they are NOT identical.


of course not..who ever suggested they were?
 
On 20 Sep 2003 07:17:00 -0700, [email protected] (Mark
Probert) wrote:

>jake <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:18:31 GMT, "Mark Probert"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:11:35 GMT, "Mark Probert"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> >
>> >> >Where is this?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Olympic mountains WA
>> >
>> >It looked familiar.
>> >
>> >I lived in Steilacoom, WA while I was assigned to Ft. Lewis, WA, 1969-70. We
>> >rented a house on Puget Sound and it was known as party city.

>>
>> wow!
>> small world and all that
>>
>> :>)
>>
>>
>> >
>> >We went to Olympic National Park several times to go fishing.
>> >
>> >See: http://www.nps.gov/olym/wic/duplela.htm

>>
>>
>> I was not fit enough to go to upper lena but had to stay at lower lena

>
>You missed a gorgeous lake.


oh..I know :>((
>
>Lower Lena was my day-trip fishing hole. I learned fly casting on the
>Hamma Hamma, which means, in Nisqually, much fish.
>
>It was, until I got there. :)


so YOU are responsible..LOL

the natural beauty will be locked in my heart for ever
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:20:51 +0100, jake <[email protected]> wrote:


>>>the issue is the *effects* are identical

>>
>>Dose for dose they are NOT identical.

>
>of course not..who ever suggested they were?


You are not serious are you?


====================================================
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say about others is their problem, rather than your
problem.

You can trash people all you want, but your trashing
them isn't, in itself, a problem for them.
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http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm
 
"Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote
> > > > no ..is this relevant to whether ritalin is nearly identical with
> > > > cocaine as the DEA says?
> > > It is true, whether the DEA says it or not.

> > Ritalin works on the many or all of the same receptors as amphetamine

and
> > cocaine. However, the onset of action and the time it takes for the

> effects
> > to wear off are vastly different. These diffences in pharmacokinetics

> makes
> > the drugs very different.

>
> Think of ritalin as slow-acting cocaine.


No. That is a bad concept. Cocaine is fast-acting. That's what causes
cocaines high.

A much better concept is that cocaine and methylphenidate have similar
cellular properties, but very different pharmacological properties.

Jeff
 
"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:07:21 GMT, [email protected] (PF Riley)
> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 03:56:33 GMT, "Roger Schlafly"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>"Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote
> >>> > > no ..is this relevant to whether ritalin is nearly identical with
> >>> > > cocaine as the DEA says?
> >>> > It is true, whether the DEA says it or not.
> >>> Ritalin works on the many or all of the same receptors as amphetamine

and
> >>> cocaine. However, the onset of action and the time it takes for the
> >>effects
> >>> to wear off are vastly different. These diffences in pharmacokinetics
> >>makes
> >>> the drugs very different.
> >>
> >>Think of ritalin as slow-acting cocaine.

> >
> >Or think of it as a slow-acting methamphetamine derivative, since
> >that's what it is, idiot.

>
> ever taken cocaine or meths ?
>
> Most drugs categorized as having addictive properties effect the
> release or re-uptake of the neurotransmitters Dopamine (DA) and/or
> Norephinephrine (NE). Drugs in this category include cocaine, and the
> amphetamine class of stimulants (i.e.; benzedrine and the ever
> addictive methylphenidate [ritalin]).


Yet methylphenidate, when taken as prescribed, is not addicting.

There is more to a drugs actions than just receptors and neuromodulators.

All the best,

Jeff

> Instead of calling others idiots seems high time you educated yourself
> about ritalin in the real world
>
> Ritalin, Adderall,
> Other Stimulants--Further Resources
>
>
>
> "The "Just Say No To Drugs" campaign was aimed at discouraging
> children from experimenting with dangerous and addictive drugs such as
> amphetamine and Ritalin. Our society viewed with loathing those who
> "pushed" stimulant drugs on children. Yet today there are more
> children taking Ritalin and amphetamine from doctors than ever
> received them from the illegal pushers. Furthermore, the ready
> availability of prescribed stimulants had led to their increasing
> illegal use by children and youth. What has happened to our society's
> values? How can we be so blind to the implications of the widespread
> prescribing of stimulants? Does a drug become "safe" simply because it
> is prescribed by a doctor? Does "pushing" drugs on children become
> legitimate simply because it is done by drug manufacturers? The
> answers to these questions are complex--but the most important step is
> to start asking the right questions. The following resources can
> assist in that process."
>
>
> amongst the many resources is the DEA press release
>
>
> http://www.breggin.com/ritalin.html
>
> Issued by the U.S. Department of Justice
> Drug Enforcement Administration
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------

------
>
> DEA Press Release
> October 20, 1995
> Methylphenidate
> Methylphenidate (MPH), most commonly known as Ritalin, ranks in the
> top 10 most frequently reported controlled pharmaceuticals stolen from
> licensed handlers.
>
> Abuse of MPH can lead to marked tolerance and severe psychic
> dependence.
>
> Organized drug trafficking groups in a number of states have utilized
> various schemes to obtain MPH for resale on the illicit market.
>
> MPH is abused by diverse segments of the population, from health care
> professions and children to street addicts.
>
> A significant number of children and adolescents are diverting or
> abusing MPH medication intended for the treatment of ADHD.
>
> In 1994, a national high school survey (Monitoring the Future)
> indicated that more seniors in the U.S. abuse Ritalin than are
> prescribed Ritalin legitimately.
>
> Students are giving and selling their medication to classmates who
> are crushing and snorting the powder like cocaine. In March of 1995,
> two deaths in Mississippi and Virginia were associated with this
> activity.
>
> DAWN statistics on estimated emergency room mentions indicate that
> there were 271 mentions in 1990, 657 mentions in 1991, 1,044 mentions
> in 1992, and 725 in 1993 (of which 28% to 40% were associated with
> abuse for dependence or psychological effects). The number of mentions
> for MPH was significantly greater than mentions for Schedule III
> stimulants (6 mentions in 1992 and 1 mention in 1993 for all Schedule
> III stimulants).
>
> The U.S. manufactures and consumes 5-times more MPH than the rest of
> the world combined.
>
> MPH aggregate production quota has increased almost 6-fold since
> 1990.
>
> Every indicator available, including scientific abuse liability
> studies, actual abuse, paucity of scientific studies on possible
> adverse effects associated with long-term use of stimulants, divergent
> prescribing practices of U.S. physicians, and lack of concurrent
> medical treatment and follow-up, urge greater caution and more
> restrictive use of MPH.
>
>
 
"F Troop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Read the last paragraph of the article you cite:
> > http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/cngrtest/ct051600.htm
> >
> > When taken as prescribed, methylphenidate is safe and effective.
> >

>
> The compliance rate amongst people who are prescribed psychotropic drugs

is
> so low, that is a moot point.


Really? What is the compliance rate for people who are prescribed
methylphenidate? References please.
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:30:18 -0400, Mark D Morin
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:20:51 +0100, jake <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>>the issue is the *effects* are identical
>>>
>>>Dose for dose they are NOT identical.

>>
>>of course not..who ever suggested they were?

>
>You are not serious are you?


sigh..

what part of this do you not understand?



>In more simplistic terms, this data means that neither animals nor
>>humans can tell the difference between cocaine, amphetamine, or
>>methylphenidate when they are administered the same way at comparable
>>doses. In short, they produce effects that are nearly identical.



note at *comparable* doses

>
>
>====================================================
>You fool yourself if you imagine what you or others
>say about others is their problem, rather than your
>problem.
>
>You can trash people all you want, but your trashing
>them isn't, in itself, a problem for them.
> Linda Gore 08/06/03
>
>http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:42:34 -0400, "Jeff" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"jake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:07:21 GMT, [email protected] (PF Riley)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 03:56:33 GMT, "Roger Schlafly"
>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>"Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote
>> >>> > > no ..is this relevant to whether ritalin is nearly identical with
>> >>> > > cocaine as the DEA says?
>> >>> > It is true, whether the DEA says it or not.
>> >>> Ritalin works on the many or all of the same receptors as amphetamine

>and
>> >>> cocaine. However, the onset of action and the time it takes for the
>> >>effects
>> >>> to wear off are vastly different. These diffences in pharmacokinetics
>> >>makes
>> >>> the drugs very different.
>> >>
>> >>Think of ritalin as slow-acting cocaine.
>> >
>> >Or think of it as a slow-acting methamphetamine derivative, since
>> >that's what it is, idiot.

>>
>> ever taken cocaine or meths ?
>>
>> Most drugs categorized as having addictive properties effect the
>> release or re-uptake of the neurotransmitters Dopamine (DA) and/or
>> Norephinephrine (NE). Drugs in this category include cocaine, and the
>> amphetamine class of stimulants (i.e.; benzedrine and the ever
>> addictive methylphenidate [ritalin]).

>
>Yet methylphenidate, when taken as prescribed, is not addicting.
>
>There is more to a drugs actions than just receptors and neuromodulators.


of course..
Hence the paucuity of biological reductionism


>
>All the best,
>
>Jeff
>
>> Instead of calling others idiots seems high time you educated yourself
>> about ritalin in the real world
>>
>> Ritalin, Adderall,
>> Other Stimulants--Further Resources
>>
>>
>>
>> "The "Just Say No To Drugs" campaign was aimed at discouraging
>> children from experimenting with dangerous and addictive drugs such as
>> amphetamine and Ritalin. Our society viewed with loathing those who
>> "pushed" stimulant drugs on children. Yet today there are more
>> children taking Ritalin and amphetamine from doctors than ever
>> received them from the illegal pushers. Furthermore, the ready
>> availability of prescribed stimulants had led to their increasing
>> illegal use by children and youth. What has happened to our society's
>> values? How can we be so blind to the implications of the widespread
>> prescribing of stimulants? Does a drug become "safe" simply because it
>> is prescribed by a doctor? Does "pushing" drugs on children become
>> legitimate simply because it is done by drug manufacturers? The
>> answers to these questions are complex--but the most important step is
>> to start asking the right questions. The following resources can
>> assist in that process."
>>
>>
>> amongst the many resources is the DEA press release
>>
>>
>> http://www.breggin.com/ritalin.html
>>
>> Issued by the U.S. Department of Justice
>> Drug Enforcement Administration
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------

>------
>>
>> DEA Press Release
>> October 20, 1995
>> Methylphenidate
>> Methylphenidate (MPH), most commonly known as Ritalin, ranks in the
>> top 10 most frequently reported controlled pharmaceuticals stolen from
>> licensed handlers.
>>
>> Abuse of MPH can lead to marked tolerance and severe psychic
>> dependence.
>>
>> Organized drug trafficking groups in a number of states have utilized
>> various schemes to obtain MPH for resale on the illicit market.
>>
>> MPH is abused by diverse segments of the population, from health care
>> professions and children to street addicts.
>>
>> A significant number of children and adolescents are diverting or
>> abusing MPH medication intended for the treatment of ADHD.
>>
>> In 1994, a national high school survey (Monitoring the Future)
>> indicated that more seniors in the U.S. abuse Ritalin than are
>> prescribed Ritalin legitimately.
>>
>> Students are giving and selling their medication to classmates who
>> are crushing and snorting the powder like cocaine. In March of 1995,
>> two deaths in Mississippi and Virginia were associated with this
>> activity.
>>
>> DAWN statistics on estimated emergency room mentions indicate that
>> there were 271 mentions in 1990, 657 mentions in 1991, 1,044 mentions
>> in 1992, and 725 in 1993 (of which 28% to 40% were associated with
>> abuse for dependence or psychological effects). The number of mentions
>> for MPH was significantly greater than mentions for Schedule III
>> stimulants (6 mentions in 1992 and 1 mention in 1993 for all Schedule
>> III stimulants).
>>
>> The U.S. manufactures and consumes 5-times more MPH than the rest of
>> the world combined.
>>
>> MPH aggregate production quota has increased almost 6-fold since
>> 1990.
>>
>> Every indicator available, including scientific abuse liability
>> studies, actual abuse, paucity of scientific studies on possible
>> adverse effects associated with long-term use of stimulants, divergent
>> prescribing practices of U.S. physicians, and lack of concurrent
>> medical treatment and follow-up, urge greater caution and more
>> restrictive use of MPH.
>>
>>

>
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 06:10:32 +0100, jake <[email protected]> wrote:

[snip]

>>In more simplistic terms, this data means that neither animals nor
>>>humans can tell the difference between cocaine, amphetamine, or
>>>methylphenidate when they are administered the same way at comparable
>>>doses. In short, they produce effects that are nearly identical.

>
>despite all the weaseling and red herrings thrown up, this remains the
>DEA position.


Say, Bob--have you found that DEA paper I told you about? The one that shows
how they decided to place methylphenidate on Schedule II?

You might find it quite an eye-opener.

Joe Parsons
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:59:10 +0100, jake <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:30:18 -0400, Mark D Morin
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:20:51 +0100, jake <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>the issue is the *effects* are identical
>>>>
>>>>Dose for dose they are NOT identical.
>>>
>>>of course not..who ever suggested they were?

>>
>>You are not serious are you?

>
>sigh..
>
>what part of this do you not understand?


What I understand is that when you post these kinds of statements
without any type of qualifications, a certain picture is drawn. You
are smart enough to know that and you have demonstrated that you are
capable off qualifying your statements. One possible interpretation
is that you are intentionally trying to deceive.


====================================================
You fool yourself if you imagine what you or others
say about others is their problem, rather than your
problem.

You can trash people all you want, but your trashing
them isn't, in itself, a problem for them.
Linda Gore 08/06/03

http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:46:13 -0400, "Jeff" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"F Troop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > Read the last paragraph of the article you cite:
>> > http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/cngrtest/ct051600.htm
>> >
>> > When taken as prescribed, methylphenidate is safe and effective.
>> >

>>
>> The compliance rate amongst people who are prescribed psychotropic drugs

>is
>> so low, that is a moot point.

>
>Really? What is the compliance rate for people who are prescribed
>methylphenidate? References please.





Ritalin and Attention Deficit Disorder:

History of its Use, Effects and Side Effects.

http://www.crossinology.com/articles/RITALINus.html

Non compliance and medication discontinuance by children and
especially adolescents was not considered in many studies (Charles et
al., 1981; Hechtman, 1985; Murray, 1987; Weiss et al., 1975).

In only a small minority of studies was compliance or the method of
compliance mentioned, which is highly significant since effects can
only be related to the drug if the subjects are actually taking it.

For instance, Satterfield et al.’s (1981) study used pill counts at
the end of each week and a urine test for ritalinic acid to confirm
that subjects had complied with the drug regime. Without the
assurance of compliance the results of many of the other studies may
well contain biases not considered in the interpretation of the
results.






>
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:15:25 -0400, Mark D Morin
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:59:10 +0100, jake <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:30:18 -0400, Mark D Morin
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:20:51 +0100, jake <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>the issue is the *effects* are identical
>>>>>
>>>>>Dose for dose they are NOT identical.
>>>>
>>>>of course not..who ever suggested they were?
>>>
>>>You are not serious are you?

>>
>>sigh..
>>
>>what part of this do you not understand?

>
>What I understand is that when you post these kinds of statements
>without any type of qualifications, a certain picture is drawn. You
>are smart enough to know that and you have demonstrated that you are
>capable off qualifying your statements. One possible interpretation
>is that you are intentionally trying to deceive.


If you wish to get personal ...

another is that you have a vested interest in the exponential increase
in diagnosis of ADHD in schoolchildren ..and will stop at nothing to
prevent rational discussion of the facts.



>
>
>====================================================
>You fool yourself if you imagine what you or others
>say about others is their problem, rather than your
>problem.
>
>You can trash people all you want, but your trashing
>them isn't, in itself, a problem for them.
> Linda Gore 08/06/03
>
>http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 16:10:06 GMT, Joe Parsons <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 06:10:32 +0100, jake <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>>In more simplistic terms, this data means that neither animals nor
>>>>humans can tell the difference between cocaine, amphetamine, or
>>>>methylphenidate when they are administered the same way at comparable
>>>>doses. In short, they produce effects that are nearly identical.

>>
>>despite all the weaseling and red herrings thrown up, this remains the
>>DEA position.

>
>Say, Bob--have you found that DEA paper I told you about? The one that shows
>how they decided to place methylphenidate on Schedule II?


no...

>You might find it quite an eye-opener.


why not scan the summary and share the information?


>
>Joe Parsons
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:30:18 -0400, Mark D Morin
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:20:51 +0100, jake <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>>the issue is the *effects* are identical
>>>
>>>Dose for dose they are NOT identical.

>>
>>of course not..who ever suggested they were?

>
>You are not serious are you?


I wonder if "Jake" is just Roger in disguise, or perhaps a disciple.
He's changed "similar effects" to "identical effects" to "identical,"
but then backpedalled when called on his ********.

PF
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:36:20 GMT, [email protected] (PF Riley)
wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:30:18 -0400, Mark D Morin
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 15:20:51 +0100, jake <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>the issue is the *effects* are identical
>>>>
>>>>Dose for dose they are NOT identical.
>>>
>>>of course not..who ever suggested they were?

>>
>>You are not serious are you?

>
>I wonder if "Jake" is just Roger in disguise, or perhaps a disciple.
>He's changed "similar effects" to "identical effects" to "identical,"
>but then backpedalled when called on his ********.


wonder all you like..
your argument is with the DEA ..as unpalatable as that may be for
you..

>
>PF


--
"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an
invisible government owing no allegiance and
acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To
destroy this invisible government, to befoul the
unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt
politics is the first task of the statesmanship of
today."

- Theodore Roosevelt, 19 April 1906
 
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:33:32 +0100, jake <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 06:23:18 -0400, "Happy Dog"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Roger Schlafly" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>
>>> "Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote
>>> > > > no ..is this relevant to whether ritalin is nearly identical with
>>> > > > cocaine as the DEA says?
>>> > > It is true, whether the DEA says it or not.
>>> > Ritalin works on the many or all of the same receptors as amphetamine

>>and
>>> > cocaine. However, the onset of action and the time it takes for the
>>> effects to wear off are vastly different. These diffences in

>>pharmacokinetics
>>> makes the drugs very different.
>>>
>>> Think of ritalin as slow-acting cocaine.

>>
>>No Roger, I just think of you as slow. You don't have a clue, as usual,
>>what you're talking about. Why stop at cocaine? Why not equate it with
>>crack? And then, tell us what the problem with it is? Is morphine a bad
>>drug?

>
>> Is heroin?

>
>of course..
>what planet do you live on?


So you think heroin and morphine are bad drugs? What's about codeine
and dextromethorphan? Do you ever cough or have pain?

Cocaine is a very useful topical anesthetic.

PF