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Discussion in 'Your Bloody Soap Box' started by limerickman, Nov 12, 2004.

  1. Jacques Dupont

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  2. Jean Dubois

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    I'll second that, I've got a new hero now! Don't worry about Armstrong, Team Bridgewood Castle have excellent briefs.

    DH is David Harmon on British Eurosport. a friend of BRFs.
     
  3. Jacques Dupont

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    Oh right I see for hanging around Hazel Grove toilets in I suppose?
     
  4. Jean Dubois

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    Was riding in a Vets event on the Fylde this weekend and got talking to another guy who had the same bike frame. Before you ask neither of them were pink! We'd both moved on. After riding away from the start for 10 - 15 minutes I suggested we'd better get back. "Oh, I'm not in the race I'm just out for a training ride" was the reply. Was I well warmed up when I got back!
    Turns out he was Geoff (or could have been Graham?) Barlow formerly of the Oldham Century. He knew everyone from the Domino, GVRC days and wished to be remembered to you all. He had a bad crash in a race a few years back but is now well mended.
    Incidentally John Bettinson was in the over 60' event. I never knew him but used to watch him when I were a young un. Bet you do though!
    Still too bloody 'ot in't backyard! :) ytd 9.050 k's
     
  5. Jean Dubois

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    Just heard the news about the A sample and have had a look at some of the other threads. Possibly a little bit of hope, but right now I feel physically sick! It makes it almost impossible to look relatives and non cycling friends in the face. How does everyone else feel?
     
  6. Jacques Dupont

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    Yes disappointed very disappointed indeed. Some of my friends said at the time that they were very skeptical of his spectacular recovery but I, together with 90 percent of the cycling community, just wanted to believe it could happen. From reading L'Equipe there seems to be no hope for Landis as all we are getting from him are lame excuses and I do now remember being slightly worried when after his stage win he said "I have nothing to say on the subject" or words to that effect when he was questioned about the pre-tour doping scandel. Although I can't imagine how he thought he could get away with it. It could be sometime before the sample B results are made known.:mad:
     
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    hi there i wonder how many mums and dads want their children to ride a bike these days bon courage
     
  8. Jean Dubois

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    Never having been a serious soccer fan I didn't understand "gutted" until last night. Couldn't even watch the news! This morning, there he is, big colour pic on the front page of the Grauniad.
    Just when you think the sports getting off the ground, ToB stage in Central London, TdF next year etc etc. What would you think if you were Ken Livingstone?? Potentially a massive PR disaster and your dead right, it's the impact on parents, together with sponsors and occasional supporters.
    Even if anyone buys in to all this techno crap about T/E ratios and the like, even if he is eventually innocent(ish), the damage is done.
     
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    hit here ...well like you, i am a bit depressed, we saw a great tour, banished the cheats, then this.. the B test will be posotive, even FL says so.. where do we go from here.. one wonders... what gets me a bit is that there are lots of talk that virtually 100% of spanish footballers have been through DR DOOM, but where are they, how have they not been exposed.. i do think that cycling is now a easy "pinch", a bit of muck scraping,, it is just not conceivable that cycling is the only sport with this problem.. i wonder if at sundays race what the " onlookers " have in their minds,, " "what are they on ?????" bon courage.
     
  10. Jean Dubois

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    Just seen UK Tv news and Justin Gatlin(Sp?) the athlete has announced he was positive for testosterone in April. Apparently he's anti dope and says he completely baffled how it could have occurred.
    I picked up somewhere that 75% of all sportsmen / women found positive for testosterone were subsequently cleared by the Sports Arbitration Council. Of the 25% who weren't, they were mainly body builders and/or American footballers.
    What with all the debate about which bits of the ratio were high and which bits low, I guess we'll never know till the fat lady sings.

    Good luck for Sunday, I'm giving it a go in the Vets National RR Champs.
     
  11. John Knees

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    Well said BRF - and a belated good-luck wish for the RR champs.

    Quite a lot of discussion here, including people panning the BBC.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbfivelive/F2148575
    also
    http://freefloydlandis.blogspot.com/

    I'm sick of "This drug-ridden sport" headlines in the Mail, to the extent that I'm thinking of ditching it for a proper newspaper - after suggesting that all their sanctimonious journalists offer themselves for a caffeine test. Now that WOULD be salutary.

    Santé.
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    Fat John.
     
  12. Jacques Dupont

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    Testosterone content has a tendency to fall in samples as time goes by and a couple of weeks can make a difference and this is probably why some athletes are cleared by sample B.
    Notice how LA after having done everything in his power to stop FL winning the tour is now flying to his side to downcry the techniques of the Châtenay-Malabry lab: the one which found him positive in the 1999 tour.
    I am unfortunately pessimistic about eventually beating the drug cheats and cleaning up sport in general. Also notice that riders spend more and more time training and less and less time racing. This is because when under preparation they're positive and can't race. Mini doses of EPO which don't show up are all the rage as well. The only way out seems to be systematic longitudinal testing, the banning of training courses for example in Mexico instead of riding the tour of Switzerland and the demand for this must come from the organisers and the sponsors themselves sick of their images being fucked up. The problem is indeed well-rooted and some deep digging will be needed to solve it.
     
  13. Jacques Dupont

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    Or then again you could play football or tennis where nobody ever takes anything or only very very rarely. Football hey that's bigger than the world itself or global warming or the melting icecaps or the drying rain forests.
    Better not say anything on that score someone might bump me off!!!!
     
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    Just watch out for the men in pinstriped suits carrying violin cases JD.
    Have any of you European persons read "Hetchins" rant on "ES", I agree with him, medicines of any description should not be allowed. Hay fever sprays, legal or not, I've seen a few of riders using Asthma puffers, I'm told this gives a non Asthmatic an advantage. Maybe bullchips, but you never know, as far as the footballers is concerned, two of AC Milan Players (retired and only early fourties) dropped dead while out shopping with their family's, only a year or two ago, this is the upshot of taking these substances when your young and bulletproof. Puts too much strain on the vital organs and hay presto, dodgy ticker, failed liver/kidneys you name it.
    I agree, very dissapointing, especially when family and friends who don't ride give you that look, makes you want to run and hide, well, you know what's meant.
     
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    I expect all have seen the outcome of the court case resulting from the Rhyll C.C. "accident".

    Apalling!

    John.
     
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    It doesn't get any better does it? If I read it correctly last night, the driver was fined 180 quid for 3 sub standard tyres. Apparently having little or no tread didn't contribute to the carnage (in the magistrates opinion) because it would have made no difference on black ice!
    Quite apart from the fact that no one can possibly know whether the ice had a layer of water on it at the time of the accident, I would have thought that as the car should not have been on the road in the first place the driver was at least guilty of serious contributory negligence.
    It calls into question the Police Officers assertion, following the tragedy, that this was a pure accident. I guess he'd checked the car and knew that bald tyres were permissable in extenuating circumstances. He'll, if it was a he, probably be made Chief Constable!
    The irony of all this is that N Wales Police are probably the most severe on speeding offences in the country. I know this to my cost having picked up a 60 pound fine for 35 in a 30 limit. It's a fair cop! But, something here just doesn't add up!
    I can only hope that this is a problem at the level of the Magistrates and that other charges may follow or that the N Wales Police together with th CPSA will appeal against the ludricrous penalty and press for a custodial sentence.:mad:
     
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    Just by way of update : the person who caused the death of four riders from the Rhyl CC was convicted yesterday in court.

    His sentence : penalty points on his licence.

    This is sentence merely adds insult to terrible injury

     
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    hi there, well must say been away a long time, what with racing, making and installing a outside shower, been to the uk and back in 2 days, having our 6 year old grand child with us, trying to train, and in all this, winning my 7 th event of the season,,, i managed to win 2 out of a 3 race triptyque out here in deepest france.. i did not do the first, i was away winning the 5 th of the season, but blew em apart in the last 2... it was sponsored by a local chateau, so won 12 very good bottles, a yellow jersey, and quite a good write up in the local midi libre....not much else until end of august, then about 6 more events to do... we are off to the uk in september for 3 weeks , so that will be that, shame about old FL still they are all not guilty in prison,,, re the rhyl situation, same old job, stupid old gits sitting in judgement on other stupid gits...i often wonder, would the sentance be the same if the SOG's grandson was one of the victims.. how could he live with it...still i know what i would do if it was one of mine, i would run the guy down with mi moter and insist it was a accident.. bon courage..
     
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    hi there, well errr ummm where has the JU quote gone to mi old mate. ??

    salut..
     
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