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Howard Kveck
Guest
In article <851d264e-cd77-40b3-9a12-9bae89164f3f@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Mr Rove.
Right. You know, you've been on "the Left" for ages and that one post did explain
a lot of what's eating you about it. You said that the left had decided that "decent,
hard working, poor people" were the enemy and that you weren't sure why. When I said
that wasn't true you claimed I said that your grandparents were liars. Well, I'll
take it out of the realm of argument by assertion.
The reason there is a middle class in America is because of the policies of people
like FDR and Truman, aided by unions and other progressive organisations. After WWII,
the rise of unions saw huge raises in the pay of all workers (and it wasn't limited
to just union workers - everyone got more pay and benefits because business saw doing
those things as a means of keeping their workers). There were unprecedented levels of
home ownership due to that. Other things like labor standards and working conditions
improved. We also have a variety of things that have helped improve the lives of
Americans like Social Security, Medicaire, Medical, the Voting Rights Act - the list
goes on and on.
Bill, those things are aimed at the "decent, hard working, poor people" you claim
that liberals have made "the enemy." That stuff wasn't done by conservatives - it was
done by liberals and progressives.
You seem focused on the stuff that groups like Ruckus or ALF do and have
frequently conflated them with *all* of "the left." You've said that you don't think
that the majority of "the left" are bad people, yet you keep condemning all those
people that you say aren't bad by that conflation. So you can call me "Rove" all you
want - it won't change that fact that a big part of your core premise is flawed.
--
tanx,
Howard
Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Mr Rove.
Right. You know, you've been on "the Left" for ages and that one post did explain
a lot of what's eating you about it. You said that the left had decided that "decent,
hard working, poor people" were the enemy and that you weren't sure why. When I said
that wasn't true you claimed I said that your grandparents were liars. Well, I'll
take it out of the realm of argument by assertion.
The reason there is a middle class in America is because of the policies of people
like FDR and Truman, aided by unions and other progressive organisations. After WWII,
the rise of unions saw huge raises in the pay of all workers (and it wasn't limited
to just union workers - everyone got more pay and benefits because business saw doing
those things as a means of keeping their workers). There were unprecedented levels of
home ownership due to that. Other things like labor standards and working conditions
improved. We also have a variety of things that have helped improve the lives of
Americans like Social Security, Medicaire, Medical, the Voting Rights Act - the list
goes on and on.
Bill, those things are aimed at the "decent, hard working, poor people" you claim
that liberals have made "the enemy." That stuff wasn't done by conservatives - it was
done by liberals and progressives.
You seem focused on the stuff that groups like Ruckus or ALF do and have
frequently conflated them with *all* of "the left." You've said that you don't think
that the majority of "the left" are bad people, yet you keep condemning all those
people that you say aren't bad by that conflation. So you can call me "Rove" all you
want - it won't change that fact that a big part of your core premise is flawed.
--
tanx,
Howard
Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?