Somehow No One Seems To Think



On Apr 6, 2:20 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:

> When people do not respect what they have, they lose it.
>
> --
> Michael Press


If only that were true.
-Paul
 
On Apr 6, 3:48 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article
> <917c96b6-894f-465e-a77c-85b4878dc...@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>  SLAVE of THE STATE <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 6, 3:20 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <023f0b88-5675-4eff-807a-8807998f2...@u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> > >  SLAVE of THE STATE <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> > > > On Apr 6, 1:59 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > When you choose the lesser of two evils
> > > > > you are choosing evil.

>
> > > > What about three?  We're talking numbers and that is basic math: the
> > > > field of thinking things thru.

>
> > > > One of three senatorz will be the next prezident of the usa.

>
> > > > That's my no-candy-ass call.

>
> > > I would start by spelling everything properly.
> > > When people do not respect what they have, they lose it.

>
> > Yes!  The power of the pen!

>
> > For a mere zecond I thought u were serious.

>
> Think again. I am serious.


That way, "seriously" isn't how I take you.

The other way, "seriously" isn't how I take the particular comment.

"It" is already lost: the disrespect was intentional to lower the
perception of those individuals to the level of their performance.
There is no rightful call to jock-sniffing. But I will respect April
15, as I know what is good for me and I will choose the lesser evil.

But of course, you have no moral stance, and therefore cannot
determine evil. You've convinced me not to take you seriously. Nice,
concise, quick, and efficient job!


"Your Constitution is all sail and no anchor." -- Macaulay
 
On Apr 6, 3:00 pm, Donald Munro <[email protected]> wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > When you choose the lesser of two evils you are choosing evil.

>
> Choose Mini-Me.


I take your post with ironic seriousness. Like all poli threads, we
turn to the comic book level of sophistication.

In a commensurate turn, I consulted Dream Girl, who can see into the
future. She says Mini-Me will not win. See for yourself:

http://www.comicvine.com/dream-girl/1254/costumes/&c=12527
 
In article
<76a41691-1620-40bf-86a7-182467242791@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
"Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Apr 6, 12:59 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In article
> > <b66fb22b-07fd-4841-a22e-6cfb8e7f5...@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 5, 6:31 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <2cb3fc29-4de6-4517-9d02-27a8e09ce...@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:

> >
> > > > > Tom, I assume you're talking about his relationship with Khallid
> > > > > Muhammad. That's totally screwed, but I don't think Sharpton believes
> > > > > in that ****. The point was that it's a great thing to have friends
> > > > > with totally different views IMO.

> >
> > > > What Sharpton believes in?
> > > > He continues to stone wall his participation
> > > > in the Tawana Brawley fraud.

> >
> > > Heh heh! I like the juxtaposition of that with "The sky is blue. It's
> > > a perfect day to kill 600000 people."

> >
> > > Some frauds pale to insignificance beside other frauds.

> >
> > When you choose the lesser of two evils
> > you are choosing evil.

>
> That's sophistry, and only true if you're a glass-is-half-empty type.
> Any time I can choose a lesser evil over a greater evil I consider
> myself lucky to have avoided the greater evil.


No matter the evil, when you choose it, it grows.

--
Michael Press
 
In article <91880719-b596-44eb-b329-ed2511b37129@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
SLAVE of THE STATE <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Apr 4, 5:49 pm, Howard Kveck <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The reason there is a middle class in America is because of the policies
> > of people like FDR and Truman, aided by unions and other progressive
> > organisations. After WWII, the rise of unions saw huge raises in the pay of
> > all workers (and it wasn't limited to just union workers - everyone got more pay
> > and benefits because business saw doing those things as a means of keeping their
> > workers). There were unprecedented levels of home ownership due to that. Other
> > things like labor standards and working conditions improved. We also have a
> > variety of things that have helped improve the lives of Americans like Social
> > Security, Medicaire, Medical, the Voting Rights Act - the list goes on and on.

>
> What a bunch of utter ******** to say "things improved because of
> 'liberals.'" Things could only improve in spite of them. And to
> claim the "policies of FDR" helped the "middle class" (the "common
> man") is really beyond the pale.


You're welcome to explain why those policies and the work of progressives *did
not* help what became the middle class, if you feel so inclined. I know that you
aren't a big fan of Paul Krugman, but his book "The Conscience of a Liberal" lays out
the case in very clear terms. It certainly backs up what I've believed for a long
time.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
 
Michael Press wrote:
>> > When you choose the lesser of two evils you are choosing evil.


Donald Munro wrote:
>> Choose Mini-Me.


SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> I take your post with ironic seriousness. Like all poli threads, we turn
> to the comic book level of sophistication.


http://www.discoveryvallarta.com/doctorevillibby_lrg.JPG

> In a commensurate turn, I consulted Dream Girl, who can see into the
> future. She says Mini-Me will not win. See for yourself:
>
> http://www.comicvine.com/dream-girl/1254/costumes/&c=12527


She quite hot for a 2D chick. I wonder if I could jump into her comic
book (bed) like in the Ah Ha video.
 
On Mar 22, 9:17 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> Here's a quote:
>
> "Fascism is a government structure. The most notable characteristic of a
> fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality toa
> specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or
> belief systems."
>
> Apparently those who claim to be "Liberals" want to use fascistic
> methodology and pretend that it is somehow correct.


I like this one better from Ambrose Bierce in the Devil's Dictionary:
"Conservative: A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
distinguished from the Liberal who wishes to replace them with others."
 
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On Mar 22, 9:17 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > Here's a quote:
> >
> > "Fascism is a government structure. The most notable characteristic of a
> > fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality
> > to a
> > specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or
> > belief systems."
> >
> > Apparently those who claim to be "Liberals" want to use fascistic
> > methodology and pretend that it is somehow correct.

>
> I like this one better from Ambrose Bierce in the Devil's Dictionary:
> "Conservative: A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
> distinguished from the Liberal who wishes to replace them with others."


I like that one as well. But consider - "The evil you know is better than
the evil you don't."

And as a conservative (small 'c') I think that you can PLAN to improve
existing evils without taking wild-assed jumps into completely unknown
terrain (think of Johnson's war on poverty.)
 
On Apr 6, 6:22 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> No matter the evil, when you choose it, it grows.
>
> --
> Michael Press


My father-in-law chose to have his feet amputated, rather than die of
gangrene. He chose the evil of amputation to stop the greater evil -
gangrene- from growing. There's a real-life, simple example proving
your statement is false.

On a lighter note, I've taken to running your posts thru the "Yoda
Speak Generator". I find it amusing. I was doubly amused when it
left "No matter the evil, when you choose it, it grows" untouched.
You're already speaking in Yoda Speak.

-Paul
 
On Apr 7, 11:50 am, "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> On a lighter note, I've taken to running your posts thru the "Yoda
> Speak Generator".  I find it amusing. I was doubly amused when it
> left  "No matter the evil, when you choose it, it grows" untouched.
> You're already speaking in Yoda Speak.
>
> -Paul


LOL! I can hear that in Yoda. "No matter the evil.....when you choose
it...it grows....profound it is...."
Bill C
 
On Apr 7, 11:50 am, "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> On a lighter note, I've taken to running your posts thru the "Yoda
> Speak Generator".  I find it amusing. I was doubly amused when it
> left  "No matter the evil, when you choose it, it grows" untouched.
> You're already speaking in Yoda Speak.
>
> -Paul


LOL! I can hear that in Yoda. "No matter the evil.....when you choose
it...it grows....profound it is...."
Bill C
 
On Apr 7, 12:21 am, Donald Munro <[email protected]> wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> >> > When you choose the lesser of two evils you are choosing evil.

> Donald Munro wrote:
> >> Choose Mini-Me.

>
> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
> > I take your post with ironic seriousness.  Like all poli threads, we turn
> > to the comic book level of sophistication.

>
> http://www.discoveryvallarta.com/doctorevillibby_lrg.JPG
>
> > In a commensurate turn, I consulted Dream Girl, who can see into the
> > future. She says Mini-Me will not win.  See for yourself:

>
> >http://www.comicvine.com/dream-girl/1254/costumes/&c=12527

>
> She quite hot for a 2D chick. I wonder if I could jump into her comic
> book (bed) like in the Ah Ha video.


The bed can't be too far off...

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1254/125885-dream-girl_400.jpg
 
On Apr 7, 5:26 pm, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 7, 3:39 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The bed can't be too far off...

>
> >http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1254/125885-dream-girl_4...Hide quoted text -

>
> > - Show quoted text -

>
> You might be amused by this, and I don't have your e-mail:
>
> http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=1826
>
> Bill C


This looks like some pre-planning for a major riot, doesn't it? :

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20080328130926247

Lokks like they plan to totally disrupt as much as humanly possible.
Yep, their opinions trump everyone elses rights.

I found this link at MichaelMoore.com following up on some Heston
stuff.
Wonder what the economic damage is going to be, and how many people
hurt and possibly killed?
Bill C
 
On Apr 7, 8:50 am, "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 6, 6:22 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:


You're both wrong, or drama divas.

> > No matter the evil, when you choose it, it grows.


Sometimes, it grows whether you choose it or not.
You utter a nice-sounding aphorism that obscures the
fact that sometimes, there is no "good" choice, but
doing nothing doesn't help, other than to provide
the self-satisfaction of not being involved.

> My father-in-law chose to have his feet amputated, rather than die of
> gangrene. He chose the evil of amputation to stop the greater evil -
> gangrene- from growing. There's a real-life, simple example proving
> your statement is false.


Diseases aren't evils. There's no moral component.

Voting for a president that you think will be less bad
than the other candidate is a legitimate example. One
of them is going to be president, so doing nothing
just enables the worse one while letting you feel like
you had nothing to do with it. It's passive-aggressive.
The exception is if both of the candidates are so
bankrupt you can't bear to associate with either of them.
This is the situation Greg is permanently in since he
believes in a different ideal of what our government
should be, but for the rest of us, saying we're too good
for the candidates has an element of cheap self-righteousness.
The same was true of people who voted for Nader in 2000
because they said there was no difference between
the major candidates. "Hah-hah," as that kid from the
Simpsons would say.

Ben
 
In article
<835ca6b4-fab3-472e-b38a-9151352d6ce5@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
SLAVE of THE STATE <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Apr 6, 3:48 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In article
> > <917c96b6-894f-465e-a77c-85b4878dc...@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> >  SLAVE of THE STATE <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 6, 3:20 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <023f0b88-5675-4eff-807a-8807998f2...@u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> > > >  SLAVE of THE STATE <[email protected]> wrote:

> >
> > > > > On Apr 6, 1:59 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > When you choose the lesser of two evils
> > > > > > you are choosing evil.

> >
> > > > > What about three?  We're talking numbers and that is basic math: the
> > > > > field of thinking things thru.

> >
> > > > > One of three senatorz will be the next prezident of the usa.

> >
> > > > > That's my no-candy-ass call.

> >
> > > > I would start by spelling everything properly.
> > > > When people do not respect what they have, they lose it.

> >
> > > Yes!  The power of the pen!

> >
> > > For a mere zecond I thought u were serious.

> >
> > Think again. I am serious.

>
> That way, "seriously" isn't how I take you.
>
> The other way, "seriously" isn't how I take the particular comment.
>
> "It" is already lost: the disrespect was intentional to lower the
> perception of those individuals to the level of their performance.
> There is no rightful call to jock-sniffing. But I will respect April
> 15, as I know what is good for me and I will choose the lesser evil.
>
> But of course, you have no moral stance, and therefore cannot
> determine evil. You've convinced me not to take you seriously. Nice,
> concise, quick, and efficient job!


Well, you are the expert.

--
Michael Press
 
In article
<[email protected]>,
Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Apr 7, 5:26 pm, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Apr 7, 3:39 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > The bed can't be too far off...

> >
> > >http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1254/125885-dream-girl_4...Hid
> > >e quoted text -

> >
> > > - Show quoted text -

> >
> > You might be amused by this, and I don't have your e-mail:
> >
> > http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=1826
> >
> > Bill C

>
> This looks like some pre-planning for a major riot, doesn't it? :
>
> http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20080328130926247
>
> Lokks like they plan to totally disrupt as much as humanly possible.
> Yep, their opinions trump everyone elses rights.


Well, yes, they're idiots, but they're extreme fringe idiots. They're
stupid, but at least they're not numerous.

> Wonder what the economic damage is going to be, and how many people
> hurt and possibly killed?


They have a little counter up there by the article title that says
"Views: 1,263".

Considering that number is around the same as some of my Flickr photos,
I'd say that interest in this topic is low. My bet is that the SDS will
be lucky to muster a force of dozens on convention day, thus leaving
them outnumbered by the number of police needed for traffic control,
never mind security.

"At a gathering of over 100 anti-authoritarians from around the country
in August of 2007 (facilitated by the Twin Cities based RNC Welcoming
Committee), the following direct action strategy was adopted to shut
down the RNC..."

"Over 100"? With that kind of participation, I am not impressed by the
danger offered by the Grand Rapids SDS*. Unless they plan to convert
some substantial number of those anti-authoritarians into suicide
bombers, disruptions will be minimal. And SDS members tend not to go in
for suicide bombing, because it interferes with their graduation plans.

Getting yourself worked up over small and stupid student groups says
more about you than about SDS.

*"Grand Rapids SDS:" it's beyond risible, really. The jokes write
themself.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email protected] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
 
On Apr 7, 2:35 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Apr 7, 8:50 am, "Paul G." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 6, 6:22 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> You're both wrong, or drama divas.
>
> > > No matter the evil, when you choose it, it grows.

>
> Sometimes, it grows whether you choose it or not.
> You utter a nice-sounding aphorism that obscures the
> fact that sometimes, there is no "good" choice, but
> doing nothing doesn't help, other than to provide
> the self-satisfaction of not being involved.
>
> > My father-in-law chose to have his feet amputated, rather than die of
> > gangrene. He chose the evil of amputation to stop the greater evil -
> > gangrene- from growing. There's a real-life, simple example proving
> > your statement is false.

>
> Diseases aren't evils. There's no moral component.
>
> Voting for a president that you think will be less bad
> than the other candidate is a legitimate example. One
> of them is going to be president, so doing nothing
> just enables the worse one while letting you feel like
> you had nothing to do with it. It's passive-aggressive.
> The exception is if both of the candidates are so
> bankrupt you can't bear to associate with either of them.
> This is the situation Greg is permanently in since he
> believes in a different ideal of what our government
> should be, but for the rest of us, saying we're too good
> for the candidates has an element of cheap self-righteousness.
> The same was true of people who voted for Nader in 2000
> because they said there was no difference between
> the major candidates. "Hah-hah," as that kid from the
> Simpsons would say.
>
> Ben


I agree with you, except that there are several definitions of evil,
including "causing harm". Or as Michael might say "Several
definitions of evil there are."
I chose to go with the "causing harm" definition for simplicity.

Bottom line, in the real world, you'd better be good at choosing the
lesser evil or expect to suffer the consequences. Got that, Nader
voters? ;-)
-Paul
 
On Apr 7, 1:43 pm, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 7, 5:26 pm, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 7, 3:39 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> > > The bed can't be too far off...

>
> > >http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/2000/1254/125885-dream-girl_4...quoted text -

>
> > > - Show quoted text -

>
> > You might be amused by this, and I don't have your e-mail:

>
> >http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=1826

>
> > Bill C

>
> This looks like some pre-planning for a major riot, doesn't it? :
>
> http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20080328130926247
>
> Lokks like they plan to totally disrupt as much as humanly possible.
> Yep, their opinions trump everyone elses rights.
>
> I found this link at MichaelMoore.com following up on some Heston
> stuff.
> Wonder what the economic damage is going to be, and how many people
> hurt and possibly killed?
> Bill C


Gotta love that, Bill:. "Wonder what the economic damage is going to
be, and how many people hurt and possibly killed?"

Just pretend it's about Iraq, then you won't give a ****.
-Paul