classic1 said:
That is one of the most spastic posts of all time
Sunday Times is the same friggin website as the Times. It's as separate as the Sunday Age and the Age or the Herald Sun and Sunday Herald Sun in Melbourne.
The defamation and libel is a furphy. UK and Australian laws for defamation and to a lesser extent libel are a joke, not too many lose, the person being sued cant use truth as a defence in a defo case. How much did he get in the end? I bet it was fark all, and the book is still available in France.
I notice the likes of Emma O'Reilly, Steve Swart, Frankie Andreu etc haven't been sued. Funny that.
Your last point takes the cake. Tax payers money is involved. Of course the public has a right to know. Besides that, if you are going to portray yourself as some kind of white knight crusader you should at least have some ethics
Ethics? I'm a ****ing Man United fan... **** ethics.
10 years 'service' on the Stretford End, *****.
Tax payers money? Where is tax payers money involved in Lances' pay? I'm not sure what retard system they run down there - but in the UK and US, if you're found guilty you get to pay the court costs... if you're found not guilty, the person who pressed the charges gets to pay. Not exactly sure where your idea of "tax payers money" comes from.
The only people that Armstrong, in this specific example, needs to be accountable too are... his team, the UCI, whichever country he's racing in and the federation that requires him to **** in a cup during dope tests. I have no need what-so-****ing-ever, nor do I have a right, to know what he's upto 24x7x365. Same deal with pop/rock/movie/tv celebs/actors etc etc and the tabloid press... Why the hell do we need to know what they're upto? I challenge you to come up with one valid reason... Your arguement is like saying "well, I went to see the movie Seven and I pay my taxes which helped clean the sidewalk outside the movie theatre, so therefore I need to know what the **** Brad Pitt is upto right the **** now..."
Ah France... the country that conveniently waited to retest all the samples from the 99 Tour until after the IOC/UCI deadline for testing samples was up. They could have ever so easily tested, using the same tests back in 2004 and 2005 and nailed his ass with a positive, if the samples were positive. Instead, just months after the samples are no longer within "test by date" as it were - the story leaks that "we have proof that Armstrong used EPO". Hmmm... fishy that don't you think?
The Times and The Sunday Time share common ownership but were founded independantly and continue to run and be printed independantly. They share the same website because they're owned by the same company but The Times Online, The Times and The Sunday Times are all different entities... I may be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time I was, but I do believe the first time that The Times and The Sunday Times rolled off the same printing press was in Scotland in a new factory in 2007 that printed the Scotish editions.
As for Walsh, the guy who works for The Sunday Times, he's got the right to publish what he see's fit... that's why they call it Freedom of the Press... but when you're about to release your third book about one guy in 5 years it gets a bit old hat, no? It's like he's found a 'cash cow' and he's gonna milk it for all he can. Just incase you didn't figure out, he's got another Lance book coming out shortly to add to the other two. If he was doing it for the good of the common man, truth, freedom yada yada yada then ask him to donate all his procedes to charity. I think he'll tell you to "**** off"
Personally, I couldn't give two hoots personally about Lance. He's provided some absolutely great Tour moments but if he ever gets nailed with a positive you won't see me crying over it... my thought is that if someone gets nailed through due process, whether that be in or out of season testing, then whisk them infront of "the doping court" and give out the sentence due. Do it fast - do it fair...
then release the info to the press.
Stephen Roche
was found guilty in an Italian court back in 93 of receiving EPO from Conconi, who was the long time doctor to the Carrera team, blood doper to Moser and the Italian national squad. The same statute of limitations that 'prevented' *cough* the French from prosecuting Armstrong, saved Roche from being nailed. He tried to crucify Kimmage during his book release... but noone ever said anything about Roche and his past transgressions. Armstrong is 'believed' to have received 'performance enhancing drugs' from Conconi's understudy - Michele Ferrari - and everyone goes nuts. When Armstrong had his little tiff with Simeoni people went nuts. Same **** - different day as far as I'm concerned.
Actually, I wish they'd all go back to ****ing doping because I'm sick and tired of bleeding heart repentants like David Millar being interviewed for a week straight following a positive sample in any given tour... Oh, someone doped, so it'll be 40 minutes interviewing people who used to think nothing about stabbing themselves in the gut/ass/arm with EPO, 15 minutes of ads/commercials and 5 minutes for racing...
... **** that.
All I know is, the last time I was diagnosed as aenemic, I didn't get the same "vitamin B12" shots that LeMond did back in '89. I didn't go from being dead on the bike to ripping off 30+mph time trials (OK, I only ever managed 29mph in a time trial but that's beside the point). My B12 shots and iron supplements took fecking weeks to take effect...