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Hake

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Hello,

For the second time on the tandem this month, we have been chased by a
terrifyingly large dog (this one escaped the grasp of a 5 yr old). This one
bit on to our pannniers, circled in front of our front wheel and chased us
from 5mph up to 20mph along narrow road. Not only did it look hungrily at my
partners knee, it also looked at my calf, for which it recieved a shove from
my foot. ( dont worry dog lovers, I don't think it noticed :-(

Our only defence was to yell at the thing and try to run away - which
worked on this occasion, but if it had mistaken my leg for the pannier, I
might not have been writing this now! Does anyone have any experiance with
dog deflecting gizmos that I have seen advertised in the CTC? or any other
ideas?

Thanks

Colin
 
"Hake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> For the second time on the tandem this month, we have been chased by a
> terrifyingly large dog (this one escaped the grasp of a 5 yr old). This
> one bit on to our pannniers, circled in front of our front wheel and
> chased us from 5mph up to 20mph along narrow road. Not only did it look
> hungrily at my partners knee, it also looked at my calf, for which it
> recieved a shove from my foot. ( dont worry dog lovers, I don't think it
> noticed :-(
>
> Our only defence was to yell at the thing and try to run away - which
> worked on this occasion, but if it had mistaken my leg for the pannier, I
> might not have been writing this now! Does anyone have any experiance with
> dog deflecting gizmos that I have seen advertised in the CTC? or any other
> ideas?<<



That sounds quite frightening - another of the drawbacks of cycling?

I find that I don't get pestered by dogs very much these days - probably
something to do with me patronising a better class of wine bar.
 
"Hake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> Hello,
>
> For the second time on the tandem this month, we have been chased by a
> terrifyingly large dog (this one escaped the grasp of a 5 yr old). This
> one bit on to our pannniers, circled in front of our front wheel and
> chased us from 5mph up to 20mph along narrow road. Not only did it look
> hungrily at my partners knee, it also looked at my calf, for which it
> recieved a shove from my foot. ( dont worry dog lovers, I don't think it
> noticed :-(
>
> Our only defence was to yell at the thing and try to run away - which
> worked on this occasion, but if it had mistaken my leg for the pannier, I
> might not have been writing this now! Does anyone have any experiance with
> dog deflecting gizmos that I have seen advertised in the CTC? or any other
> ideas?

Here (in Mid-Wales) the farm dogs often like to chase, usually only with
barking and running along. I find shouting GET ON DOG very loudly sends them
scurrying off. That's what farmers shout at them when they are harrying the
sheep to closely. The farmers also sprinkle their shouts with assorted swear
words as well. This shout also worked in Virginia USA - and I wasn't in
sheep country at the time. You might try stopping and getting off, then the
thing will know you are a human and may calm down - you can then take
opportunity to talk to/abuse the owners.

John
 
On 19/08/2007 20:53, Eatmorepies said,

> Here (in Mid-Wales) the farm dogs often like to chase, usually only with
> barking and running along.

Farm dogs in North Wales seem to just go for full-on attack. I still
have teeth marks in the back bumper of my car from being chased and
attacked by one. Thank god I wasn't walking or cycling on that road.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/
 

> Here (in Mid-Wales) the farm dogs often like to chase, usually only with
> barking and running along. I find shouting GET ON DOG very loudly sends
> them scurrying off. That's what farmers shout at them when they are
> harrying the sheep to closely. The farmers also sprinkle their shouts with
> assorted swear words as well. This shout also worked in Virginia USA - and
> I wasn't in sheep country at the time. You might try stopping and getting
> off, then the thing will know you are a human and may calm down - you can
> then take opportunity to talk to/abuse the owners.
>
> John


I did fair bit of rural shouting :-/, but im not sure it was a rural dog.
Getting off may have calmed it down, but it was one of the very bulky dogs,
im sure it weighed more than me (10 stone, rake!) and if it hadn't calmed
down, I would have been out of options.

I have done a fair bit of cycling on cycleways and generally I give dogs &
owners a wide birth, and up till now have never had real problems - maybe
just a spate of bad luck.

cheers

Colin
 
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:12:38 +0100 someone who may be Paul Boyd
<[email protected]> wrote this:-

>Farm dogs in North Wales seem to just go for full-on attack. I still
>have teeth marks in the back bumper of my car from being chased and
>attacked by one. Thank god I wasn't walking or cycling on that road.

A dog that bites the rear wheel of a bike will rapidly find it has
less teeth, when its snout makes contact with the frame of the bike.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54
 
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:23:06 +0100, David Hansen
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:12:38 +0100 someone who may be Paul Boyd
><[email protected]> wrote this:-
>
>>Farm dogs in North Wales seem to just go for full-on attack. I still
>>have teeth marks in the back bumper of my car from being chased and
>>attacked by one. Thank god I wasn't walking or cycling on that road.
>
>A dog that bites the rear wheel of a bike will rapidly find it has
>less teeth, when its snout makes contact with the frame of the bike.

Squirrels can be a pest too.
www.flickr.com/photos/bike/76039319/
http://13gb.com/media/images/bikewins.jpg
 
"Hake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> Hello,
>
> For the second time on the tandem this month, we have been chased by a
> terrifyingly large dog (this one escaped the grasp of a 5 yr old). This
> one bit on to our pannniers, circled in front of our front wheel and
> chased us from 5mph up to 20mph along narrow road. Not only did it look
> hungrily at my partners knee, it also looked at my calf, for which it
> recieved a shove from my foot. ( dont worry dog lovers, I don't think it
> noticed :-(
>
> Our only defence was to yell at the thing and try to run away - which
> worked on this occasion, but if it had mistaken my leg for the pannier, I
> might not have been writing this now! Does anyone have any experiance with
> dog deflecting gizmos that I have seen advertised in the CTC? or any other
> ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Colin
>
I use an air horn in a water bottle carrier that is tie-wrapped to the
handle bars/stem. works on numpty car drivers, peds and dogs.
 
In article <%[email protected]>, Hake
[email protected] says...
> Hello,
>
> For the second time on the tandem this month, we have been chased by a
> terrifyingly large dog (this one escaped the grasp of a 5 yr old). This one
> bit on to our pannniers, circled in front of our front wheel and chased us
> from 5mph up to 20mph along narrow road. Not only did it look hungrily at my
> partners knee, it also looked at my calf, for which it recieved a shove from
> my foot. ( dont worry dog lovers, I don't think it noticed :-(
>
> Our only defence was to yell at the thing and try to run away - which
> worked on this occasion, but if it had mistaken my leg for the pannier, I
> might not have been writing this now! Does anyone have any experiance with
> dog deflecting gizmos that I have seen advertised in the CTC? or any other
> ideas?
>
If assertive shouts don't work then a good squirt in the face from a
water bottle can distract it. If it's getting close enough to snap try
giving it something like a pump to chew on - preferably rammed hard down
its throat. But in this case where you were initially going slowly it
would probably have been better to stop - nothing for the dog to chase,
and you can put the bike between it and your tender bits.
 
Dogs understand commands in whatever language they're spoken to.

Here in Ireland I yell in my sergeant major's voice "Get in"
repeatedly at them. They almost all stop and scurry off. They
apparently cannot tell who's yelling at them. Read this on the net
years ago. If this doesn't work I get off with the bike between me and
them. I then give chase. They run.
 
Rob Morley wrote:

> If assertive shouts don't work then a good squirt in the face from a
> water bottle can distract it. If it's getting close enough to snap try
> giving it something like a pump to chew on - preferably rammed hard down
> its throat. But in this case where you were initially going slowly it
> would probably have been better to stop - nothing for the dog to chase,
> and you can put the bike between it and your tender bits.

When I was recently attacked by an alsatian dog I planned in my mind to
follow this advice to stop, dismount and place bike between me and dog.
I then discovered that a) alsatian dogs are very fast and b) I am not
quick at dismounting and putting bike, etc, etc.

The bruises on my bum have just about faded away now, thanks for asking.

--
Brian G
www.wetwo.co.uk
 
> Does anyone have any
> experiance with dog deflecting gizmos that I have seen advertised in
> the CTC? or any other ideas?

There are dog dazers (or similar) which seem to produce an annoyingly loud
noise out of our range of hearing. I dunno if they work (similar things
are made for getting rid of mice/rats - they definately don't work).

Most dogs will just want to play, even when they're 'biting' it's normally
just play. Consider encouraging the thing along with you then, when out of
sight, getting it to roll in the nearest muddy puddle/pond/lake. The
owners may keep better control of their dog next time.

--
Mark T
 
On 2007-08-20, Mark T <pleasegivegenerously@warmail*turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com.invalid> wrote:
>> Does anyone have any
>> experiance with dog deflecting gizmos that I have seen advertised in
>> the CTC? or any other ideas?
>
> There are dog dazers (or similar) which seem to produce an annoyingly loud
> noise out of our range of hearing. I dunno if they work (similar things
> are made for getting rid of mice/rats - they definately don't work).
>
> Most dogs will just want to play, even when they're 'biting' it's normally
> just play. Consider encouraging the thing along with you then, when out of
> sight, getting it to roll in the nearest muddy puddle/pond/lake. The
> owners may keep better control of their dog next time.
>
I cycle regularly in Greece where dogs are a major problem. (There's
information about this on my cycling page
http://www.acampbell.org.uk/cycling.)

Generally I try to outrun them or, if that is not possible, get off and
swear at them very loudly (English will do; they seem to understand).
Throwing stones is another possible tactic.

I've used a Dazer at times; sometimes it works, sometimes not. A friend
who has cycled in many alarming places in the world (eastern Turkey and
Uganda among others) tells me she has found it to be good. One problem
with it is that it takes a certain amount of time to get it out from
your back pocket or wherever and point it at the offending animal. If
the first thing you hear is the scampering of its claws on the road this
is not really feasible.

--
Anthony Campbell - [email protected]
Microsoft-free zone - Using Linux Gnu-Debian
http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews,
on-line books and sceptical articles)
 
On Aug 19, 8:01 pm, "Hake" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For the second time on the tandem this month, we have been chased by a
> terrifyingly large dog (this one escaped the grasp of a 5 yr old). This one
> bit on to our pannniers, circled in front of our front wheel and chased us
> from 5mph up to 20mph along narrow road. Not only did it look hungrily at my
> partners knee, it also looked at my calf, for which it recieved a shove from
> my foot. ( dont worry dog lovers, I don't think it noticed :-(
>
> Our only defence was to yell at the thing and try to run away - which
> worked on this occasion, but if it had mistaken my leg for the pannier, I
> might not have been writing this now! Does anyone have any experiance with
> dog deflecting gizmos that I have seen advertised in the CTC? or any other
> ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Colin

On slightly different note, was there anyone to complain to? If you
have been bitten by a dog, and you can tell where it has come from,
are you supposed to report it to someone? I seem to remember (from a
dim and distant past) that dogs who bite people/have bitten people are
supposed to be muzzled? Should you report them to the police?
Mine was a Jack Russell looking thing, got hold of my ankle and gave
me a good nip. Thought about reporting to police, remonstrating with
owners (was crossing a farm, on a bridleway) but eventually did
nothing.

Thanks

Tracker.
 
Hake <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> For the second time on the tandem this month, we have been chased by a
> terrifyingly large dog (this one escaped the grasp of a 5 yr old). This one
> bit on to our pannniers, circled in front of our front wheel and chased us
> from 5mph up to 20mph along narrow road. Not only did it look hungrily at my
> partners knee, it also looked at my calf, for which it recieved a shove from
> my foot. ( dont worry dog lovers, I don't think it noticed :-(
>
> Our only defence was to yell at the thing and try to run away - which
> worked on this occasion, but if it had mistaken my leg for the pannier, I
> might not have been writing this now! Does anyone have any experiance with
> dog deflecting gizmos that I have seen advertised in the CTC? or any other
> ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Colin

um voice, and attaully stop. sound angry not afraid. direct stare. you
are the alpha. the shouting while still riding particuly as it can tell
your afraid will be triggering the chase responce.

i know it can take some doing, but if you can do it, it works.

roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com
 
On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:01:15 GMT, Hake wrote:

> or any other
> ideas?

bump...bump...

roadies, you know not what you are missing :)

Steve
 
"Mark T"
<pleasegivegenerously@warmail*turn_up_the_heat_to_reply*.com.invalid> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
>> Does anyone have any
>> experiance with dog deflecting gizmos that I have seen advertised in
>> the CTC? or any other ideas?
>
> There are dog dazers (or similar) which seem to produce an annoyingly loud
> noise out of our range of hearing. I dunno if they work (similar things
> are made for getting rid of mice/rats - they definately don't work).
>
> Most dogs will just want to play, even when they're 'biting' it's normally
> just play. Consider encouraging the thing along with you then, when out
> of
> sight, getting it to roll in the nearest muddy puddle/pond/lake. The
> owners may keep better control of their dog next time.
>
> --
> Mark T

I have been generally sceptical of those dog dazers for that reason also.

But play??!!

Had the dog in question decided to play with my leg, it would not have been
play, it would have been hospital - assuming it stopped with my leg!! :-/

Colin
 

> If assertive shouts don't work then a good squirt in the face from a
> water bottle can distract it. If it's getting close enough to snap try
> giving it something like a pump to chew on - preferably rammed hard down
> its throat. But in this case where you were initially going slowly it
> would probably have been better to stop - nothing for the dog to chase,
> and you can put the bike between it and your tender bits.

On previous occasions, I too have used the 'bike in between me and it',
however in this case, there was no posiblity of the thing being restrained &
also, it would have been quite capable of jumping up at me over the bicycle.
Neither did we have an anti-tank missile to attempt to restrain it with:).

C
 

>
> um voice, and attaully stop. sound angry not afraid. direct stare. you
> are the alpha. the shouting while still riding particuly as it can tell
> your afraid will be triggering the chase responce.
>
> i know it can take some doing, but if you can do it, it works.
>
> roger
> --
> www.rogermerriman.com

I agree, but I was afraid !- had I had a club strapped to my frame (instead
of a flimsy alumnium pump). I would have been better off, then I could have
discused with the dog which one of us would be alpha :).

More seroiusly though, with no other help around, I was reluctant to chance
whether or not it would get bored if we stopped

C
 

> I cycle regularly in Greece where dogs are a major problem. (There's
> information about this on my cycling page
> http://www.acampbell.org.uk/cycling.)
>
> Generally I try to outrun them or, if that is not possible, get off and
> swear at them very loudly (English will do; they seem to understand).
> Throwing stones is another possible tactic.
>
> I've used a Dazer at times; sometimes it works, sometimes not. A friend
> who has cycled in many alarming places in the world (eastern Turkey and
> Uganda among others) tells me she has found it to be good. One problem
> with it is that it takes a certain amount of time to get it out from
> your back pocket or wherever and point it at the offending animal. If
> the first thing you hear is the scampering of its claws on the road this
> is not really feasible.
>
> --
> Anthony Campbell - [email protected]
> Microsoft-free zone - Using Linux Gnu-Debian
> http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews,
> on-line books and sceptical articles)

Thanks Anthony - interesting cycle page.

On this occasion, as we approached I gave thought to stopping and getting
the cycle pump in hand before passing it, but as I have passed a lot of
dogs* and only rarely had to even shout, I decided the pump was a silly
idea.- next time i will be more cautious..


C

*ouch :)
 
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