doping



Its a long list, it all began from the inception of the tour de france: with 300 kilometer stages, bikes with no gears weighting 40 pounds i guess, cyclists with no formal training methods, it was a brutal sport.
 
and now they got 15 pound bikes, the best training coaches, massages every day, the best foods and legal vitamins to take, shorter stages, rest all day long, these clowns still choose to cheat.
 
The claim that every pro who has ever raced doesn't pass any test of logic or fact. There is certainly a level of ability that separates the regular cyclist from the pro, so the idea pro riders are no different than you or I in their ability is, well, stupid.
 
Not magic...unless you are Lance Armstrong. Then, it's the most sophisticated, most professionized and most successful magic potion this side of Viagra.
 
Originally Posted by leanman .

i think every pro that has ever raced is on this list. love the excuses. steven rooks 1983freddy martens 1980..they all lied their whole career. when they finally do get caught, they all admit they dopped their whole career.... so really, clean, these clowns are no better than you and i...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling
That's not true. The level of training and development required to get to the point where doping would be cost-effective is inconceivable to most of us duffers hitting, say, 100-200 miles a week.

If you doubt me, get a USA Cycling Cat 5 amateur license and tell us how easy was to get upgraded to Cat 3. There may be doping in the amateur ranks, but you won't see it below the highest level, and even there it won't be widespread or significant.

Throughout the history of the sport, training has been the only route to getting into the pro ranks.
 
Originally Posted by CAMPYBOB .

Not magic...unless you are Lance Armstrong. Then, it's the most sophisticated, most professionized and most successful magic potion this side of Viagra.
His was hardly the most sophisticated or professional doping scheme. Hiding syringes in empty coke cans, storing dope in a home refrigerator or flushing left over dope down the toilet hardly compares to the Balco scandal. If you ask me, the media is on drugs /img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif
 
"More than 600 miles per week...bicycle racer. Less than 600 miles per week...cyclotourist!"

Eddie B.
 
"Hiding syringes in empty coke cans..."

An amateur would have used Pepsi cans!
 
Originally Posted by CAMPYBOB .

Not magic...unless you are Lance Armstrong. Then, it's the most sophisticated, most professionized and most successful magic potion this side of Viagra.
I think Armstrong tried Viagra also. It just made him get taller.
 
It's the old argument.

Shades of doping of you like.
I've talked with many riders who cycled professionally in Europe and my tuppence worth is that the type of doping has changed over the years.

It's unnatural for the human body to be able to work under great physical stress day after day.
You should be physically shattered by week 3 of a grand tour for example.

Each riders system needs to be replenished to aid recovery. Different riders have different thresholds where replenishment needs to take place.

In the old days cyclists resorted to doping in order to survive a race. The rider who got tired the slowest tended to win. That was the way.

In the 1990's that changed.
Instead of the rider who got tired the slowest winning, the rider with the highest capacity to perform became the marker.

If you can get to see footage of riders at stage finish presentations from 1900's to 1980's, notice how tired riders appear to be especially in week 3 of a grand tour compared to their
counterparts post 1990.
 
Originally Posted by CAMPYBOB .

"More than 600 miles per week...bicycle racer. Less than 600 miles per week...cyclotourist!"

Eddie B.
Ohhhh another dodgy

Blood doping scandal America's successes at Los Angeles were coloured by revelations that riders had blood transfusions before their events, a practice known as blood doping or blood boosting. The transfusions were to increase red blood cells in riders' blood, thus taking more oxygen to their muscles. They received the blood of others with similar blood types.

The French coach and former world champion, Daniel Morelon, told the sports paper L'Equipe that American medical treatment was "extremely elaborate". He added: "I didn't say they were taking drugs but on the other hand we and many others were still at the stage of trying our little vitamins."Steve Hegg won a gold and a silver; Rebecca Twigg, Pat McDonough and Leonard Nitz won silver medals. They were identified in the subsequent inquiry as having had transfusions. The others were John Beckman, Mark Whitehead and Brent Emery. The rest of the team refused. Transfusions were suggested by Eddie, by staff members or by the physician who oversaw the boosting, Dr. Herman Falsetti, a professor of cardiology at the University of Iowa.
Fraysse, who had brought Borysewicz's appointment as national coach, said: "We've been looking into this stuff for years and years and years. We weren't gonna fall behind the Russians or East Germans any more." The practice was not against Olympic rules although Games medical guidelines discouraged it. Ed Burke, without Borysewicz's knowledge or approval, set up a clinic in a Los Angeles motel room. Four of the seven athletes who had transfusions won medals.[8] The US federation banned blood-doping in January 1985. Although Borysewicz denied involvement, both he and Burke were fined a month's pay. Fraysse was demoted from first to third vice-president.
 
Originally Posted by ambal .


Ohhhh another dodgy

Blood doping scandal America's successes at Los Angeles were coloured by revelations that riders had blood transfusions before their events, a practice known as blood doping or blood boosting. The transfusions were to increase red blood cells in riders' blood, thus taking more oxygen to their muscles. They received the blood of others with similar blood types.
...
Are you serious?

The blood transfusions at the '84 Olympics were well publicized and not illegal at the time. This is very old news.

Eddie B brought a lot to the US cycling program including blood transfusions and caffeine suppositories. This has been well covered in the press many times and was old news 20 years ago.
 
Originally Posted by daveryanwyoming .


Are you serious?
Of course its old and not even news, it was simply a belated response to Bobs quote.