"Edward Dolan" <
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> Here is the entire previous post so others will know what is under
> discussion. If you are bent on improving things, maybe you could improve on
> how you post. Try to follow the rules if that is not asking too much.
Oh, how i sink to my knees, and beg for your mercy. You clearly know
so much about everything.
Think i'm starting to see the type of person you are. Oh, i don't
know, you aren't jealous of people with imagination and a whole life
ahead of them are you?
If you would actually listen to the points i am trying to make, it's
that improvement no matter how small, is improvement all the same. And
seeing as you still have a 25 year old bike, i don't think you qualify
to comment on whether bikes do get redesigned annually, or at least,
bi-annually. Maybe we could club together for you, make a small
donation each, so you could replace your bike. Experience a taste of
the modern world you, no matter how much you hate, live in!
Well, being a fellow designer, rules are there to be broken, thats how
progress can be made. But being the thoughtful kind of person i am,
i'll make it nice and simple for you! (maybe i don't like the way the
'rules' work!)
> Do not vacuum cleaners still use bags?
Yes, they do, my point is, they are not as effective as a bagless
machine. Pretty straight forward comment.
>
> Bikes have not changed much in the past 25 years. The improvements you talk
> about are only on the margin. They really don't amount to a hill of beans.
> They are in the main just calculated to separate the consumer from his hard
> earned dollar. The bike I was riding 25 years ago is just as good as any
> bike today. The bike is not redesigned every year. It hasn't been redesigned
> in 100 years. Just more of the same old same old. Nothing ever changes when
> it comes to bikes.
What, you mean the 25 year old bike, with about 3 gears! If you are
lucky. Without the much more effective disc brake, without front and
rear suspension ( with, ohhhh, lets say 7 inches of travel at the
front, 5 at the back!) Yeah, you are right, bikes haven't changed
much. Redesign, also does not have to mean a complete overhaul, as
bicycle, has to have 2 wheels as the name suggests. But the
components, seating and other areas can be changed and adjusted.
Therefore, yes, they are redesigned every year. Take it your bike
doesn't get out much then, seeing as your steel frame should be coated
with a nice layer of rust. Or are you a fair wheather cyclist, in
which case, a big fat improvement to be made! A bicycle (of any sort)
which keeps your dry. You may want to look at the BMW C1 motorcycle,
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/cml/images/bmw_c1.jpg
not, completely revolutionary i agree, but different none the less.
But sticking a roof on a bike is not as straight forward as that, as
the centre of gravity is raised. Therefore, materials have to be
lighter, to keep it nice and low.
Adding a roof, also imroves the safety of the vehicle, acting as a
roll cage device. (the fact i have to diverse from the original
discussion i find saddening. But to explore the possibilties, and
opportunities involved in bicycle design, it has to be done. And also
to try and explain, that Andy, whom i referred to in my post (the guy
asking for our help, eddy) is not simply on a wild goose chase!
>
> > The fact you mention cars being, 'an invention of the devil', backs up
> > my argument that should sufficient improvements be made, they could
> > replace the automobile, in our larger cities at least. Where the are
> > exempt from road tax, and London's newly implied entrance fee to the
> > city!
>
> Hope springs eternal in the human breast!
Ohhhh, you agree on something!
>
> > Yes, you are correct, vacuum cleaners still can use bags, well done on
> > that point. But i believe the point i was making (and you missed by a
> > huge margin) was that by removing the bag, and exploring new technolgy
> > we live in healthier environments, where are children will be less
> > prone to breathing difficulties, such as asthma! Also, using bags can
> > result in a loss of up to 70%, where as bagless cleaners, retain on
> > average 100%. Pretty good eh! The advantages of research.
>
> Every vacuum cleaner I ever had was connected to a bag.
(yes, every vacuum cleaner you ever had! (defining word there 'had')
Your next one, if you venture into the real world, very probably won't
have a bag!
Exactly my point, you are scared of design and improvement! Perhaps,
with all that extra dust in your house, with the 70% loss of suction i
mentioned, you should purchase a nice shiny bike for each of your
family members. Swimming is also good at reducing the effects of
Asthma.
http://www.kerda.cz/images/cyklo/old_bicycle.jpg - one of these
perhaps!
no, ok
what about this?
http://ucmmuseum.com/ucmprphotos2/oldbike.jpg , no,
your are difficult to please!
http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/ma/marin-01-hawk-hill.jpg ,
it's a hardtail tho, little rough through the pot holes!
Ahhhhh, this should do the job,
http://www.bikebike.co.uk/smsimg/13/m307_alpinetrail.jpg
Yeah, they never change. But, neither has the 'devils' automobile.
Presume thats what you think! Wrong again i'm afraid. Technology and
design is improving them even now. Yes, the concept remains, 4 wheels
blah blah blah, but materials used for the exterior are making cars
pedestrian and cycle friendly. Companies can't manufacture any old
shape they like, with sharp edges etc, because it would fail the
tests. Small change, but you may appreciate it, should the occasion
arise a vehicle ploughs into you or your family.
I could compile a huge list of areas in modern day life where change
is happening, often without people even noticing. Medical science,
materials, architecture, I'll stop now! Again this can be an aspect of
design. As people often do not appreciate change, as we can see. So
the transition from old to new, is often unnoticed by many.
>
> > Andy, may i suggest you look in other forums, where people are a
> > little less close-minded, and open for change!
>
> I am not Andy and i should be capitalized since it is the personal pronoun.
> I see lots of room for improvement in your posting form. Maybe you could
> work on that more and not concern yourself so much with improving the rest
> of the world.
Like i said above, Andy is the poor chap looking for helpful
contributions to his research. Thats why i started my post with your
name, eddy! (opps, small e again.
>
> I don't give a tinker's damn about an open mind. As a matter of fact, I
> rather appreciate a closed mind. That indicates to me that one has thought
> about something and come to a conclusion. No, I think a closed mind suits me
> much better since I have come to conclusions about most things under the
> sun. Maybe someday if you live long enough, you will come to some
> conclusions too and not be cursed with an open mind - and always to be
> hoping for pie in the sky, oh magpie83.
That's fine, you keep your closed mind. And yes, through Andy's design
process he will have to come to conclusions, as otherwise he would
noever finish. but these 'conclusions' are always open for revision!
Should you have an accident on your 25 year old bike, the technology
and design that helps your recovery may finally be appreciated. And
should the same accident have happened when your bike was constructed
you will realise that change is good, and needed!
>
> Now I am going to lie down and have a snooze. All this verbal combat has
> exhausted me. My closed mind will soon be sound asleep and I will dream
> about going fast on my 25 year old bike. When I arise refreshed from my
> snooze, I will perhaps vacuum the rug with my 25 year old vacuum cleaner,
> the one with a bag on it.
